Good metal / hardcore kick sound.

[inmyheartx]

I keep trying to post something and it won't let me, wtf?

Take care,
Adam.

EDIT; I changed the title but it wasn't letting me post.

Something similar too this bands recording:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...iendID=1637317

Mic placement techniques are what i'm looking for. The bass drump is 22x18. That's about all I know though. Should I take the front head off, keep it on, put the mic close to the beater, far away, blankets, no blankets? I'll be using an AKG D112. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Take care,
Adam.

[mx_mx]

It let you post that...

[inmyheartx]

Originally Posted by mx_mx

It let you post that...

I realize this now, thanks. Haha.

Take care,
Adam.

[tourettes5139]

I wouldn't be suprised if that kick is triggered. Other than that, I would say concentrate the most on tuning the kick well to get it to sound as close as you can get. Use mic placement to your advantage. Get the mic close to the beater so that you can get lots of attack and click.

[james123]

I once read in sound on sound that if you want more click from a bass drum you can tape a old credit card(or something similar) to the bass drum skin where the beater hits the skin.I have never try'd this but im pretty sure the guys at sound on sound know what they are talking about.
thanks.

[surfmaster]

i use two mics, probably your d112 out to get the boom and then a 57 or another drum mic pointed down at your beater in the same direction as your overheads, then flip the phase of the outer kick mic.its nice so you can eq the beater mic a ton and then still have a good sounding outer mic to mix in with it.

i really wanna try that credit card thing sometime though...

good luck!

[gcapel]

i too have been reaching for the punch kick sound. I am going to try the credit card trick. I get pretty good results now. I use a res head with a 5" hole (evans). Stick a beta52 into the hole about mid shell. Phase reverse position toward the beater. The phase reverse was like nite and day (boom/punch).

hope the helps

[inmyheartx]

Originally Posted by tourettes5139

I wouldn't be suprised if that kick is triggered. Other than that, I would say concentrate the most on tuning the kick well to get it to sound as close as you can get. Use mic placement to your advantage. Get the mic close to the beater so that you can get lots of attack and click.

I wouldn't be suprised either. But I still want to see how I can get that sound from the drum, so I could at least make it sound good because I can't afford Drumagog. Thanks for all the info, I will try the 2 mic / Credit Card thing. =)

Take care,
Adam.

[reshp1]

Make sure you're using a hard beater, plastic or wood. Nothing will make a felt beater click, not even a credit card. I'm seen people duct tape a sheet metal disc to the head as well, btw.

[lucky13]

When I'm going for a slappy kick, i use an AKG D112 inside the kick close to the beater. And an Octava MC-012 on the outside of the front head about 3 inches from the beater, pointed directly at the beater. Reverse the phase, and you're good to go.

[jonnyc]

I'd try to get the mic within about 6 inches of where the beater hits the head on the inside of the drum. Face it slightly away from the hihat. Then after it's recorded crank it up at about 3khz til you get the click you want.

[inmyheartx]

Originally Posted by lucky13

When I'm going for a slappy kick, i use an AKG D112 inside the kick close to the beater. And an Octava MC-012 on the outside of the front head about 3 inches from the beater, pointed directly at the beater. Reverse the phase, and you're good to go.

So, when you reverse the phase, you just go to one of the either of the drum tracks, phase reverse it, and you're set? Do you do it to the mic inside the drum or the one on the outside? Thanks for the info. =)

Take care,
Adam.

[inmyheartx]

Originally Posted by reshp1

Make sure you're using a hard beater, plastic or wood. Nothing will make a felt beater click, not even a credit card. I'm seen people duct tape a sheet metal disc to the head as well, btw.

The beaters not really something I can control, it's up to the dudes i'm recording. I'm not sure what kind of beater the drummer uses. I'll ask him tonight.

Take care,
Adam.

[tylerxxx]

that's weird, that band has been talking to me about joining their band, haha.

i'd say that kick is definitely triggered.

[inmyheartx]

Originally Posted by tylerxxx

that's weird, that band has been talking to me about joining their band, haha.

i'd say that kick is definitely triggered.

Haha yes, that has already been established. I was just trying to get the same tone without triggering, because if I can get the same tone I can manually edit out any outrageous hits. Personally, I don't care for the band that much; but the band i'm recording is hell bent on that kick tone. =)

Take care,
Adam.

[lucky13]

Originally Posted by inmyheartx

So, when you reverse the phase, you just go to one of the either of the drum tracks, phase reverse it, and you're set? Do you do it to the mic inside the drum or the one on the outside? Thanks for the info. =)

Take care,
Adam.

Listen and see. Some times, depending on exact placement you don't have to reverse the phase. I just A-B it and see which one sounds better.

[tourettes5139]

Originally Posted by reshp1

I'm seen people duct tape a sheet metal disc to the head as well, btw.

Ouch, that sounds like murder on the heads.

[giraffe]

you can also tape a dollar coin to the head where the beater hits it.

you're probably going to have to scoop some mids out no matter how you record it.

[slidey]

Originally Posted by reshp1

Nothing will make a felt beater click, .

Hmmmmmmmmmm I beg to differ I always use felt side of DW beaters & I'll click a hole in your roof using the D112 1/2 way in the shell to the side & an AKG solid tube with 20db pad 1/2 foot in front of the kick

Clickmungous
Slidey

[Sonixx]

Originally Posted by slidey

Hmmmmmmmmmm I beg to differ I always use felt side of DW beaters & I'll click a hole in your roof using the D112 1/2 way in the shell to the side & an AKG solid tube with 20db pad 1/2 foot in front of the kick

Clickmungous
Slidey

Clips, Clips, Clips...

[tacc]

you could also try taking ajunk front head cutting a hole in it, almost cutting the whole head. leave about 2 inches around the sides. tune the batter head really loose, right before it wrinkles. lay a pillow down just touching the batter head, the put a concrete block ontop of the pillow. put the mic in 6-8 inches off the batter head off axis pointing at the beater. then cover the front of the bass drum with a moving blanket or a couple heavy blancket. i have had very good luck doing this, hope it helps.

[inmyheartx]

Originally Posted by tacc

you could also try taking ajunk front head cutting a hole in it, almost cutting the whole head. leave about 2 inches around the sides. tune the batter head really loose, right before it wrinkles. lay a pillow down just touching the batter head, the put a concrete block ontop of the pillow. put the mic in 6-8 inches off the batter head off axis pointing at the beater. then cover the front of the bass drum with a moving blanket or a couple heavy blancket. i have had very good luck doing this, hope it helps.

Have anything I can hear from this technique? This goes for anyone else also, i'm just curious what each one sounds like if done properly.

Take care,
Adam.

[breeeeza]

it sounds like they have phased it.

[slidey]

Originally Posted by Sonixx

Clips, Clips, Clips...

the only clips I got is holding my mics in place