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need help w/signal path

Question for the pros:

Here's my typical recording path:
Microphone into
True Systems Precision 8 into
RME Fireface 800

I want to start using a FMR RNC in the chain to tame the peaks of a new vocalist who is not really trained in proper mic techniques.

So the BIG question is:

Where in the signal chain do I put the compressor?

Keep in mind the RNC is unbalanced.

Please help. Tnx, Rez
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Microphone into
True Systems Precision 8 into
FMR RNC into
RME Fireface 800

This is how I would set it up, but someone else will come along and offer different ideas.
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I don't have your exact same system, but if you want to track with some compression, do it as Carter stated. I do mine like this....mic-pre-RNC-Delta44. I am not a good vocalist, and use some compression on the way in, for those reasons.
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Microphone into
True Systems Precision 8 into
FMR RNC into
RME Fireface 800

This is how I would set it up, but someone else will come along and offer different ideas.

That's about right


Normally you would see something like Mic -> pad -> polarity -> preamp ->

and then after that you can sort of mix and match.

In this case, the signal flow isn't complicated, so it would come right after your preamp stage.
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Yep, the true has nowhere for a side chain so that is your only option
(I am not familiar with the fireface, can you insert there?)
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Thanks!

Thanks guys for helping me confirm my initial thoughts.

"(I am not familiar with the fireface, can you insert there?)" -Big Kenny

Using the Fireface was another possibility. Here was my other option:

Mic to Mic Pre out to Fireface In (Channel 1)

Within RME's Total Mix matrix:
Route Channel 1 to Channel 7 Out
Channel 7 out patched to RNC In

RNC Out patched back to Fireface Channel 7 In

Record Channel 1 AND Channel 7 so I have both a compressed and uncompressed (pure) signal. Overkill? Probably... but better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. ;-)
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Thanks guys for helping me confirm my initial thoughts.

"(I am not familiar with the fireface, can you insert there?)" -Big Kenny

Using the Fireface was another possibility. Here was my other option:

Mic to Mic Pre out to Fireface In (Channel 1)

Within RME's Total Mix matrix:
Route Channel 1 to Channel 7 Out
Channel 7 out patched to RNC In

RNC Out patched back to Fireface Channel 7 In

Record Channel 1 AND Channel 7 so I have both a compressed and uncompressed (pure) signal. Overkill? Probably... but better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. ;-)
Yeah that will work too! two different flavors on one vocal. but there is alot of ad/da going on.
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I'd be wary of that many conversions
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I'd be wary of that many conversions

I agree, thats why I included that in my comment!
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A/D to D/A to A/D ... and that's why I was askin' the pros!

I'll try to do a test tonight just to see if there are noticeable artifacts.

Thanks again! -Rez
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