Boutique acoustics....Gimme a fucking break

[SHEPPARDB.]

I played one of these today
http://www.pantheonguitars.com/image...4front_big.jpg
and I dont mind saying that the maker has a lot to learn,before he
can get the asking price of $3400.

[Armistice]

For instance - never use a sunburst finish on an acoustic.... yuk!

[faderbug]

bourgeois guitars play and sound awesome.

[Light]

Originally Posted by SHEPPARDB.

I played one of these today
http://www.pantheonguitars.com/image...4front_big.jpg
and I dont mind saying that the maker has a lot to learn,before he
can get the asking price of $3400.

Sorry, but I know Dana and his guitars quite well, and you, sir, are an idiot. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. You may not LIKE his guitars, and that is certainly your choice, but his workmanship and design is as good as any small factory in the world.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi

[SHEPPARDB.]

Originally Posted by Light

Sorry, but I know Dana and his guitars quite well, and you, sir, are an idiot. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. You may not LIKE his guitars, and that is certainly your choice, but his workmanship and design is as good as any small factory in the world.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi

Sorry assmuncher,but I do know what I am talking about.The fact that
you know him and his guitars means nothing to me.
When you see the guy again tell him that tone and volume are lacking
in his guitars.

[Light]

Originally Posted by SHEPPARDB.

Sorry assmuncher,but I do know what I am talking about.The fact that
you know him and his guitars means nothing to me.
When you see the guy again tell him that tone and volume are lacking
in his guitars.

Ah, you poor deluded fool.

You see, TONE is a OPINION. You don't like it, and as I said, that is fine. But one thing every guitar builder has had to learn is that you can't do much about making everyone like the tone of your guitars. In fact, it is impossible. All you can do is do the best possible work, with very close attention to detail, and make a guitar that you as the builder like. Then you just have to hope others agree with you.

Workmanship however, that I can say with certainty; and Dana's guitars have it. Tone, well, I don't usually like to comment on that, but I think his are pretty nice. Not as good as the ones my dad makes, but pretty nice. (yeah, I'm a bit biased towards dad's guitars, go figure).

Oh, and more than a few extremely skilled and talented players are quite fond of Dana's guitars. Probably many of them are much better players than you (no, I am not disparaiging you with that comment).

So, if you don't want to pay for one of Dana's guitars, that is fine, but do not pretend that you have a clue as to what they are worth, as you clearly know less than nothing about guitar construction.

And with that, I am done responding to you, troll.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi

[tc4b]

What's the point of bashing a craftsman with obscenity-laced tirades? If you don't like it, don't buy it. The guitar is not going to hurt you, just leave it there. You may not think those guitars are worth it, but others obviously do. And so what? Why are you self-righteous about your particular opinion? We're all just musicians, it's just a guitar, why the hostility? How about "Played one of these today, I didn't like it as much as some cheaper guitars." See? Opinion delievered without spite.

[gordone]

What didn't you like about it? The tone? The construction? Was the sunburst finish flawed?

Guitars are all very individual. I played a Martin HD35 yesterday and it didn't do anything for me tonewise. It cost well over $2000. Do I come on a Discussion group and start throwing vulgarities towards Martin? No, because I've played tons of Martins over the years and I know that some are good, some are great, and some are so-so. Same goes for the boutique builders. I've played a Goodall TROM which sounded very brash, but then I've played some Goodall parlors that made me cry they sounded so sweet.

I really think you're being unfair to Dana, as you aren't really specific in your complaints, and you've (apparently) only played one example of his.

Oh well, I can't wait to get out of work and play my "boutique" acoustic, a Santa Cruz OM/PW (or one of my Martins, Taylor, Guild, or Larrivee).

[mshilarious]

I like the irony of a guitar called "bourgeois" having a proletarian rectangle for a headstock and miserly little inlays.

[gordone]

Is this better? - Presentation Guitar - $9000

Originally Posted by mshilarious

I like the irony of a guitar called "bourgeois" having a proletarian rectangle for a headstock and miserly little inlays.

[mrface2112]

Originally Posted by mshilarious

I like the irony of a guitar called "bourgeois" having a proletarian rectangle for a headstock and miserly little inlays.

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

and all the time i thought it was just me that found that ironic. glad to see i'm not the only one who's a little warped.


cheers,
wade

[XLR]

Hey Gordone, I just read your comment after I deleted my post. Had promised myself I wouldn't get bogged down in threads like this but got momentarily lured in, heh-heh. You're right. I wasn't reading the title, just the original post.

Tim

[gordone]

Doah! I removed my post after I saw your post removed since my comment didn't make any sense
3 hours until I can go home and bang away on my guitars!!!!

[nkjanssen]

Originally Posted by Armistice

For instance - never use a sunburst finish on an acoustic.... yuk!

Yah, Gibson J-45's are ugly as hell.

[Armistice]

Personal preference on the sunburst finish - only GIbson should ever apply them to anything - saw a PRS 10 top something or other with a cherry sunburst and it was just WRONG... so I'll give you the J-45

It does also seem to be a "parlour" guitar, so it ain't ever gonna be big on volume - doesn't mean it's a bad guitar.

Cheers

[gordone]

It's actually an "OM" style guitar, a bit bigger than your typical parlor. Equivalent in shape to a 14-fret 000, using the Martin nomenclature. I have two OM shaped guitars - my Larrivee OM03R and my Santa Cruz OM/PW. Despite their small size, they are pretty big on volume

I wish SHEPPARDB would tell us what he didn't like about the guitar. I've played a few Bourgeois's and I thought they were all pretty good. My local shop (Medley Music/Acoustic Roots) usually only has a couple of Dana's guitars on hand, but they always have a bunch of Goodalls, Collings, and Santa Cruz's, so I'm more familiar with the offerings of those brands (oh, and Martin too!)

[punkin]

Originally Posted by gordone

Is this better? - Presentation Guitar - $9000

Too bad that guitar doesn't have a little somthin' to spruce up the fret board just a bit...a few inlays would be nice.

[SHEPPARDB.]

Originally Posted by tc4b

What's the point of bashing a craftsman with obscenity-laced tirades? If you don't like it, don't buy it. The guitar is not going to hurt you, just leave it there. You may not think those guitars are worth it, but others obviously do. And so what? Why are you self-righteous about your particular opinion? We're all just musicians, it's just a guitar, why the hostility? How about "Played one of these today, I didn't like it as much as some cheaper guitars." See? Opinion delievered without spite.

After reading you post I am going to agree with you that I should not have
said what I had to say the way that I did.It was mean spirited,and I'm sure
the guy takes pride in his art.I will stick to the comment about him having
a lot to learn.
To be fair,I thought that the guitar was beautifully crafted.It is a real piece
of eye candy.But looks are where it's appeal stops.When I mentioned tone,
I did'nt mean it had one that I did'nt care for,it had none,and a lot of it.
Nothing at all outstanding about it but the look.The price was offensive,
and I suppose that is why I was less than nice with the title of my thread.

Light would like to think that I am troll and that my opinion does'nt count.
The truth is that I have been playing for 27 years.I would think that a serious
luthier would consider my opinions.After all,I'm the the consumer that actually makes enough of a living to afford one of those hand crafted POS.

[Dogman]

I wouldn't pay that much for a guitar....Ok, I don't have that much...
I don't like the sunburst myself, and never held one of those.
And I got nothing....nothing at all...

[Outlaws]

Originally Posted by Light

Sorry, but I know Dana and his guitars quite well, and you, sir, are an idiot.

You get no respect for that one.

[edgarallanpoe]

To be fair,I thought that the guitar was beautifully crafted.It is a real piece of eye candy.But looks are where it's appeal stops.When I mentioned tone, I did'nt mean it had one that I did'nt care for,it had none,and a lot of it.

???? Sorry, but this makes no sense. To say a guitar has "no tone" makes no sense at all. Unless, of course, it makes no sound. Sorry, I just don't get it.

You say the guitar was beautifully crafted, yet rip the guy by saying that he has a lot to learn. Again, this makes no sense to me.

It sounds to me like you played a well made guitar that just didn't appeal to your taste is sound. That is a far cry from what you are complaining about.

FWIW, I have never played one of these, and have no horse in this race, but your comments make no sense to me.

[c7sus]

Couple things. Not every guitar is a sure-fire winner. Doesn't matter who the builder is.

I don't know about that particular builder, but some guys build their guitars "tight", and they are meant to be broken in over time. Not like a Taylor that will sound the same as every other Taylor on the rack. More like ageing wine. In 10 years I bet that guitar is a monster. Prolly inside of 2 years you might think it was the best guitar you ever recorded.

Personally I'd love to have a Bougois pre-war style lefty OM.

I like sunburst too.

The original OM's had a sunburst finsh. Do a bit of research. That guy is building historically-accurate OM's IIRC. First steel-string flattop guitars produced. He knows exactly what he is doing on every instrument.

[tc4b]

Originally Posted by SHEPPARDB.

I will stick to the comment about him having
a lot to learn.

The price was offensive,

hand crafted POS.

Why do you need to put this guys down? He's just a guitar-maker, it's just an instrument. What did this guy ever do to you? If you think the price is 'offensive' (whatever that means) then don't pay it. Why do you feel the need to bash this guy online? No matter HOW many years you've been playing guitar, some people will still disagree with you, and there's nothing you can do about it, so why get hostile about it? Isn't there enough to be angry in this world without directing your spite toward something as innocuous as a guitar maker and his craft?

[espskully]

Well, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. People on here bash Gibson and PRS all the time for being overrated - and rant and rave about the prices. I guess just becasue the guy is an indy Luthier, that doesn't exclude him from criticism. It's not like he's doing charity work. He demands a large chunk of change for his guitars - and he is going to be judged.

I don't think anyone would make a stink if SheppardB was talking shit about Gibson...

Just my 2 bits.

[edgarallanpoe]

I don't think anyone would make a stink if SheppardB was talking shit about Gibson...

Nonsense....if he stated that Gibson was shit because the LP he played had no tone, I would have the exact same response to his remarks.

First, he gives absolutely no frame of reference. What is he comparing the tone to? Sorry, but saying you have 27 years experience means absolutely nothing to me. How much experience does he have playing the OM style of acoustic? Does he own a guitar of this particular style? None of these important details are stated. What if this guy has 27 years of Jumbo Acoustic experience? How would he know what an OM style acoustic is supposed to sound like? He complains about volume...but again...compared to what? This is a very specific remake of an old guitar design and requires a person be familiar with the style and what is expected of the style before one can really comment. It would be the equivalent of a strat player saying that a humbucker equipped LP was muddy and dull sounding. Again, maybe this guy has the experience, if so, he should be more clear about what he doesn't like about the tone. Saying "no tone" is utterly useless to me if he wants me to take his review seriously.

FWIW, I have owned and played a ton of high priced guitars. Some of them were magical...some were dogs IMHO. But when there was a guitar I didn't like, I was able to convey to people what I didn't like about the guitar. Example...(I will keep out the name)

1. Very high priced boutique guitar builder #1. This guitar was 6K and was absolutely stunning. Fit and finish were perfect, but the thick maple cap and thin mahog body produced a tone that was very piercing and shrill. The guitar was very well defined when chording, but single notes were thin and raspy sounding with a piercing quality that I couldn't deal with. I switched to a darker pup but the basic tone was still too thin for my tastes. This was a guitar that would be more suited for a Jazz player who could appreciate the clear chords. I am more of a rock player so this guitar simple didn't fit my style.

As opposed to ...

"The guitar had no tone"