cabs and vox for 200 bucks

[jesusmac]

i need your opinnion!!!, name you favourite mic for heavily distorted guitars thru a guitar cab, and male voice, BOTH IN ONE MIC, here´s what i seen so far:

studio projects c1
rode nt1-a
akg c200b

i have only done research on the sp and it seems quite well, havent heard it anyway, tell me what you think

[jkokura]

I don't know about the AKG but the C1 is excellent, as is the NT1-A...They'll both do what you want and they're arguably some of the best in that price range.

Jacob

[jesusmac]

between the rode and the sp, keeping in mind that the sp has o bass cut off and a 10db pad, wich one gives me more sound for the buck? (if anyone thinks the akg is better than the other 2, you can still let me know)

[jkokura]

Originally Posted by jesusmac

between the rode and the sp, keeping in mind that the sp has o bass cut off and a 10db pad, wich one gives me more sound for the buck? (if anyone thinks the akg is better than the other 2, you can still let me know)

Neither will give you more or less sound for the buck, they cost the same, and they do the same jobs - they just do them differently that's all. I've never found it's good to try to say one is difinitivly best like you're asking. They're both good. They both do what you want. I doubt one mic is always better than another for all purposes. If you I were you, I'd pick the C1...

jacob

[jeff5xo]

A GT-44 works great on guitars, and is good on vocals.

[noisedude]

I'd be more tempted by the C1 of the two I've used, I have heard good things from one or two people about the C2000B but haven't used it myself. Another candidate is the SE2200A or the new Joemeek JM47a, both of which are around that price point I think (I'm in the UK).

[Big Kenny]

cad m179 .....

[FALKEN]

EV RE-15, bitches.

[Richard Monroe]

Of the mics you listed, I prefer C2000B, especially on cabs. Vox depends on so many factors it's very hard to predict. I kid you not. We have put a bunch of mics on cabs, and of the condensers, C2000B gets pcked a lot, over far more expensive mics. For vocals, it's very usable, especially on backing vox. What surprises me about it is that in spite of being a small diaphragm mic, it has a fair amount of color, not unlike Oktava MK012, but much less prone to popping, which I attribute to the larger housing. I'm convinced the C2000B is one of the underated gems of the AKG line. They sell it for about $200 with the H100 shockmount, which is better made and more versatile than the competitors offerings. I bought my second just for the shockmount. Like the little Oktava, a pair of them make good rock overheads, also. For a vocal mic with some midrange boost and less color, I'd lean toward the NT1-a, but would prefer a dynamic on the cab.-Richie

[Yareek]

Originally Posted by FALKEN

EV RE-15, bitches.

I like this idea.

Or a used SM57 and a used C1, just above the limit.

[tourettes5139]

I have actually found that the Oktava MK-319 does an excellent job on distorted guitars, it is now my favorite mic for guitar cabs, especially when blended with a 57. I just love the combination. Plus, (on my voice at least,) that the 319 does a good job on vocals as well.

[Kryptik]

Rode NT5.

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[chessrock]

That's an easy one. Shure SM-7 (used).
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[ryanlikestorock]

Another vote for the SM7.

Someday, I'd like to record a whole band using just SM7s to hear what it would sound like. It's one hell of a mic.

[MCI2424]

Originally Posted by chessrock

That's an easy one. Shure SM-7 (used).
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An sm57 or an sm7 or an MK319 or a u87


Any one will do. It is all in the ears anyway, equipment does not matter at all so says the BBS as a whole when they don't hear what they want to hear.

[chessrock]

Originally Posted by MCI2424

Any one will do.

That might be true, but I think a lot of people missed the part of the question where he mentioned it would be for loud, distorted guitar.

Now I don't know what kind of amp some people here are using, but have you ever actually heard a U87 on a loud, screetching, distorted guitar amp?

I can understand the whole "it's all subjective thing," but I'm afraid that, in a case like this, there are certain things you should be careful of. One of them is placing a large diaphragm vocal condenser in front of a loud amp. I just think that, aside from a few rare instances, it's probably going to sound kind of ugly. Maybe not every time or under every circumstance ... but statistically speaking, the probability of it delivering pleasing results isn't very great. Unless you have a good deal of high frequency hearing loss.
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[Richard Monroe]

I have to say I like SM-7 a lot, and I use it a lot. It's an excellent cab mic, and good for many vocalists, especially with the right preamp. I have to also suggest Sennheiser MD421. The problem is, no matter what mic you name, it can suck with the singer you've got. Mics are like shoes, they either fit the cab or singer, or they don't. My advice- find a kickass dynamic mic. EV20 is a mic I've had no long opportunity to use, but by all reports, it's in that class of dynamic mics that's hard not to love. Do a condenser when you can afford it. For myself, I would prefer to start with at least one matched stereo pair of channels- 2 MD421's, but budgets are what they are. The SM-7 needs a lot of gain, so a preamp with a lot of clean gain would be good, then there are "mixer channels". It's easy to get a lot of channels, but it's hard to get good channels. I think in stereo to begin with, so I believe that any mic or channel worth one mic, is probably worth getting two mics. Find the mic that works for the vocalist, and tweak the cabs. I think you'll find MD421 or SM-7 will be a keeper.-Richie

[giraffe]

if you can find an
at 4033
used in your range i'm sure you'll never be dissapointed

[Innovations]

I agree with Richard. look at the vocalist with a good dynamic and then check to see if it is ok. And I don;t think that you necessarily have to presume it has to be one mic. Some voices sound good on a V67G which would leave enough budget for a e609.

[MCI2424]

Originally Posted by chessrock

That might be true, but I think a lot of people missed the part of the question where he mentioned it would be for loud, distorted guitar.

Now I don't know what kind of amp some people here are using, but have you ever actually heard a U87 on a loud, screetching, distorted guitar amp?

I can understand the whole "it's all subjective thing," but I'm afraid that, in a case like this, there are certain things you should be careful of. One of them is placing a large diaphragm vocal condenser in front of a loud amp. I just think that, aside from a few rare instances, it's probably going to sound kind of ugly. Maybe not every time or under every circumstance ... but statistically speaking, the probability of it delivering pleasing results isn't very great. Unless you have a good deal of high frequency hearing loss.
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Done every day. Just depends on how close you put it. The U87 can take anything that gets thrown at it. I have no problems, but that is what makes a U87 different from may other large D mics.

[Richard Monroe]

In areas of mic selection, I often agree with Chessrock. I agree with him in this case that caution should be exercised with a mic in the price range of a U87, and I might very well put an SPL meter wherever I was going to put that U87. But... First, the U87 is not a vocal mic, although it certainly can be used for that. It is a multipupose, multipattern LD condenser, a studio workhorse. It is commonly used for acoustic instruments, as an overhead, and for cabs, among many other things. It does not sound bad on a distorted cab, in fact, it rocks. I agree with MCI2424 that the ideal place for it might not be 1" from the grill, where I would probably place a dynamic. We all have our favorites, but I would use SM7, E609, or AKG D770. And as I stated before, more often than not, surprisingly, the answer here is C2000B about 6" from the grill.

One point, though. Judging from the mic suggestions of the original poster, I seriously doubt a U87 fits the budget.-Richie