SX3 Hardware "Plugin"

[NL5]

That is one cool new feature!

That is all..........

[Carter]

I do agree!

[Bass Master "K"]

How does it work? I kinda don't want to know because then I will want to upgrade to 3, but I'm really curious how it works.

[NL5]

Originally Posted by Bass Master "K"

How does it work? I kinda don't want to know because then I will want to upgrade to 3, but I'm really curious how it works.

It is super simple.

You add an outboard effect just as you ad an input channel.

In my case, I specified that there was an outboard effect that went out sdpif/back in thru spdif and I named it "Rumour". In my plugin list, the Rumour shows up, and you use it like a plugin (other than automation).

[tourettes5139]

And I even think that Cubase "pings" the hardware and then automatically adjusts for the delay. Or something like that. Pretty sweet.

[xstatic]

yes, it does

[Bass Master "K"]

So does it burn the effect to the audio then? Or is it like an insert where if later you don't like it you can take it out and choose something else?

That would be really cool if it is option #2...I have a TC electronic M300 that I use for verbs since I don't care too much for the verbs in the box. It would be sweet not to have to bounce tracks through the unit and rerecord them onto a seperate track where I always have to keep the original track around in case later on in the mix, the effect isn't sitting right.

[NL5]

Originally Posted by Bass Master "K"

So does it burn the effect to the audio then? Or is it like an insert where if later you don't like it you can take it out and choose something else?

That would be really cool if it is option #2...I have a TC electronic M300 that I use for verbs since I don't care too much for the verbs in the box. It would be sweet not to have to bounce tracks through the unit and rerecord them onto a seperate track where I always have to keep the original track around in case later on in the mix, the effect isn't sitting right.

It's option #2. It works just like any other plug in.

[xstatic]

It works basically like a traditional aux send on a console. Nothing is written to anything until you export. Think of it as an aux send with latency compensation. It's a beautiful thing really

[Pinachi]

I didnt hear none of this, I didnt hear none of this,I didnt hear none of this,I didnt hear none of this,I didnt hear none of this,I didnt hear none of this,I didnt hear none of this!

Must fight the feeling

[Bass Master "K"]

Ohhhhh man. I really wish I hadn't asked now. Damn, that is pretty sweet.

[NL5]

If any of you are looking at SX3 and don't currently have a copy of Cubase, PM me and I'll tell you how to save $200.

[bdemenil]

the only thing that's kinda of silly as far as I can see is that if you use a set of I/Os on an external fx setup, they are disabled from the inputs and outputs menus. So if you decide you want to temporarily use those channels for something else you have to delete the external fx and then add again later.

Am I wrong?

[xstatic]

It makes sense to me that it would work this way. Cubase uses the I/O to "ping" for delay times so it knows how to recalculate the latency. If you use those same i/o ports for something else either it would be delayed (based on the outboard loop that may not exist anymore), or it would have to undo what was already done concerning the external insert loop. Why not just use other inputs and outputs?

[bdemenil]

yes, but what i'm saying is that I use a patch panel. So say I was using inputs 1&2 for return from my reverb unit. Then I decide I want to record some new vocals, so I unpatch the reverb and patch in my preamp. Now, it looks as if in order to record inputs 1&2 on cubase, I have to delete the external FX I setup for the reverb, and add vst inputs 1 back in again. Then when I'm done, in order to go back to using the reverb, I have to create the external fx all over again. Is there a way around this?

[altitude909]

yes, but what i'm saying is that I use a patch panel. So say I was using inputs 1&2 for return from my reverb unit. Then I decide I want to record some new vocals, so I unpatch the reverb and patch in my preamp. Now, it looks as if in order to record inputs 1&2 on cubase, I have to delete the external FX I setup for the reverb, and add vst inputs 1 back in again. Then when I'm done, in order to go back to using the reverb, I have to create the external fx all over again. Is there a way around this?

not really. if you have a sound card with limited i/o this would not be the most useful thing

[bdemenil]

Is there a sound card with unlimited i/o? I have 12 in 12 out, but I'm using them all for external gear. Wish I had more in fact.

[xstatic]

Change the routing inside your vst connections window. Otherwise, just do the 2 second repatch that it takes on a patchbay. Good things come to those with the teeniest bit of patience

[bdemenil]

my whole point is that external re-patching is not sufficient. There is no way I can see around deleting the plugins in vst connetions to free up the i/os - which of course means you need to recreate them when you're done - not ideal.

[NL5]

It really isn't that hard to have a template for recording, then when you mix, just set up all your effects (as you would anyway), including the externals.......

C'mon guys, it's not THAT hard at all.

Or, just get more I/O!!!!!

[bdemenil]

the problem is when you record - then you mix - then you record some more -etc.

Also, doesn't look like there's anyway of saving external plugins setup to template

[altitude909]

Also, doesn't look like there's anyway of saving external plugins setup to template

u save them as a favorite. it makes it easy to turn them on and off that way (for both external instruments and effects)

[NL5]

Originally Posted by bdemenil

the problem is when you record - then you mix - then you record some more -etc.

Sounds like you need more I/O then. Unless I am doing drums, I have plenty of I/O to record stereo tracks and have all my outboard hooked up.

Originally Posted by altitude909

u save them as a favorite. it makes it easy to turn them on and off that way (for both external instruments and effects)

Please explain - this may be a much easier way for me to add in my external effects.

[bdemenil]

more hardware io would solve the problem, but so would more flexible software. seems like a software fix would be more efficient use of resources.

[NL5]

Originally Posted by bdemenil

more hardware io would solve the problem, but so would more flexible software. seems like a software fix would be more efficient use of resources.

Agreed.

I would like to just be able to change "templates" mid recording/mixing........