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Studio Construction Photos

While I'm not done, I've organized probably 80% of my studio construction photos together, instead of all over the place. I got tired of maintaining crap all over the place, so together makes a lot less work for me, and easier for those of you interested in my projects, to find them.

http://frederic.midimonkey.com/_index.html

When the page comes up, I have all my stuff together, studio and otherwise, so at the left hand frame, click "studio" and that frame will be replaced with studio-related projects. This includes construction of the studio, the vocal booth, the 12.5' wide steel console table, the doghouse I just posted, the mic mount, and the recorder rack. Other projects as I do them, will get added to this menu.

I've gone out of my way not to use anything but boring, fast loading, HTML.
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Lookin good man! wish i had that much space to work with. keep us posted man.

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Thanks!

There's really not much more to post, I'm almost done. Just some heavy duty cleaning, organizing, and some wiring.

I just wanted to put the pictures together, so people might get some ideas from them for their own studios.
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Dude, you must make some serious bread. All the projects you've worke don... Just seeing all of your tools and garage.... damn! Building cars...

I went through every picture and only have one question...

How did you hook that webcam up? You ran a super long wire from the webcam it looks like inside the walls and probably out by your computer or whatever is handling the webcam... Now, what if that cord is ever faulty or goes bad or something? Wouldn't you have to tear out your walls to replace it?

Just a stupid question...

But anyway, the studio looks fantastic and expensive... the building, your gear... tons of gear... The stairs and vocal booth is unique definitely... you pulled that off pretty good.

Leaves me in awe... but also very jealous... hehe..

Good job.
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Dude, you must make some serious bread. All the projects you've worke don... Just seeing all of your tools and garage.... damn! Building cars...

I went through every picture and only have one question...

How did you hook that webcam up? You ran a super long wire from the webcam it looks like inside the walls and probably out by your computer or whatever is handling the webcam... Now, what if that cord is ever faulty or goes bad or something? Wouldn't you have to tear out your walls to replace it?

Just a stupid question...

But anyway, the studio looks fantastic and expensive... the building, your gear... tons of gear... The stairs and vocal booth is unique definitely... you pulled that off pretty good.

Leaves me in awe... but also very jealous... hehe..

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How did you hook that webcam up? You ran a super long wire from the webcam it looks like inside the walls and probably out by your computer or whatever is handling the webcam...
The webcam is made by Dlink, and is a standalone unit. It requires an outlet for the wall wart and an ethernet jack, both as you can see I put on the ceiling just above the camera mount. That's it. No computer, no software, no windows or linux hassles, nothing. Plug it in and it's online. To make it public again, I just have to open a port in my firewall.

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But anyway, the studio looks fantastic and expensive... the building, your gear... tons of gear... The stairs and vocal booth is unique definitely... you pulled that off pretty good.
Thanks! But don't be fooled. While I've sent a ton of money on gear over the years, most of it was from ebay, acquired via barter system, consignment at music stores, or "scratch and dent" from the same music stores. A few pieces of gear I bought brand new, like the Triton-Rack and the Fender Cybertwin amp I have. Most everything else was acquired in some "not list price" way.

Same for the other pages of my website... the crewcab pickup you saw is 12 years old and has about 350K on it more or less. Not exactly a new truck

Anyways, thanks for the compliments!
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For example, to illustrate both frugality and packrat-ness....



Neat, a wad of 8' sections of mogomi TRS cable. I must have 20-30 wads just like this. Why? 10 years ago when my pro studio went under, I hacked out all the patch bays, and all the patch bay cabling. Why? I might need them someday. Yeah, ADC patch bays aren't cheap, saving them (or selling) makes sense, but the wiring?

This is why my wife sometimes hates me, but at the same time when I start needing to make patch cords, here's the top quality cable for it. I have TRS plugs in another box in the attic, somewhere. Probably about 200-250 or so.

When we closed down that place, I even took out the reusable wire ties. And the rack screws. And the racks. And the outlet covers, the oak trim, the carpeting, fancy doorknobs, everything. Essentially anything not nailed down

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You seem to be a little young to have been marked by the great depression of the 1930's. I'm thinkin' therapy.

You don't have a shopping cart in front of your house by chance?
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No, just piles of car parts on pallets for ebay selling.

Its funny driving down my street.... looking in driveways....

jag...
benz...
lexus...

(then my house)
car parts, old crewcab, 12 y/o olds, 99 CV
(then continuing on...)

lexus... porsche... jag...

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Looks great there frederic. Your DIY stuff is excellent. Well, I've finally got to the point where I could actually use some of the stuff I've collected frederic. Heres a pic of some of the "extrusions" I've used. This is only one of about 20 projects I currently have going for the studio. This one is wierd though. Don't ask what it is. It's not done. And it IS for the studio believe it or not. I'll post my own "DIY" thread soon to explain. And yes, as Csus put it, it is HIDEOUS. In it's present form. Like I said, its not done. Oh, did I mention DON"T ASK...
And Csus, you've said your opinion.
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Leave it to Frederic.............

Not only is he the defacto DIY king around here, but he also has found the absolute best way to display his studio photos. Wow!!! That is so simple and FAST that it just blows away anything else I've seen for catching a glimpse of your project. One of these days I need to learn how you do that!!

I do have to admit, though, that I really miss the old webcam. Being a voyeur last year during your major construction was the highlight of many days spent at work in front of the computer. Just being able to flip over to the webcam to see if you were making dust or staring at your computer screen was exhillerating for some reason. I imagine watching you solder would not have the same effect, though, so don't read too much into this.

Have fun!!!

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In it's present form. Like I said, its not done. Oh, did I mention DON"T ASK...
And Csus, you've said your opinion.
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I just gotta bite on this one, Rick. I have stared at this thing for awhile now and my curiousity is just bursting at the seams. Since your filename includes the word "ARTPIECE" can we assume it is a non-functional piece meant for decorative purposes or does this have a mind-blowing function for your custom studio? You said "don't ask" but I cannot help myself I guess I need therapy...........

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That is so simple and FAST that it just blows away anything else I've seen for catching a glimpse of your project. One of these days I need to learn how you do that!!
It's simple actually... I scale the pictures from 1600x1280 down to 400x300 or 500x400, depending, and reduce from a zillion colors down to about 1024 colors. Makes the jpgs much smaller (30K each, more or less). The HTML is a set of frames, menu on the left, and the pages on the right (the bigger area) are just tables, with two boxes per row. Left box for text, right box for picture. No java, javascript, active X, flash, nothing. Saves me space, makes things load quicker, and is by far much easier to maintain. I do a little PHP on the back end, and I have a master theme config file, so I can change the text, link, and background universally throughout all the pages regardless of topic. So what you see is the "built" HTML that my server creates on the fly. Very fast, very easy to control, and it makes maintaining colors and menus that much easier.

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Have fun!!!
I can open the firewall ports if you want to watch again, though I'm not doing anything exciting at the moment. Just planning the remainder of the patch bays, and cleaning the floor so I have room to work. By the time the holidays are over I'm hoping to be able to *use* my studio without monkey rigging of cabling across the floor. I'm tried of tripping.
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Very, very cool sir. I just went through the saga although I'd seen a bit of it from past posts. You definately built to military spec. I thought my set up was anal!
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Ya know what would be way cool is if once you get the studio running, you let the camera roll while tracking and workin' the studio.
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While I'm not done, I've organized probably 80% of my studio construction photos together,.

Wow so detailed it would put Bob Villa to shame, way to go nice work...

Question your rack for you amps & recorders could you pull them out
or you need to crawl in that litle door to change something arround.....
i guess thats why you have so much patch bays not to ever go back there..

Anyways its a prety cool studio
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Nice pics.. I learned a few things by reading how you did things. Hopefully i'll be in your position one day.. But i gotta start out small.. Very small..

Great set-up

And that color is sick... I like all of my stuff to match too..
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Thanks guys for the feedback! I can see the floor now after 4 hours of cleaning! Starting to make patch cords too.

Punkin - I will open the ports and put a page on my website for the cam, once I remember which ports to open. One of those things I forgot to write down

Karlocheech - The amps and recorders are in the front, under console enclosure, and the back is completely open. To change wiring on those devices I have to crawl under the console table, around the back, and adjust the wiring. I intend to do this once - to finish installation - then I won't be crawling down there anymore.

The producer's desk, with the four racks with the countertop and the little door, I'll be removing all the gear except for the rightmost gear, and wiring them to the patch bays. Then install the next rack, wiring those to the patch bays. Then the leftmost rack, to the patch bays, then finally in the 3rd rack I'll screw in all the bays and it's done. The patch bays will be in the producer's desk, so I shouldn't need to unload/load gear, or climb through that little door on the side. I put the door there anyway, as my least used midi modules are in the rightmost rack next to the door, so if I change my mind on things, sell some of the older gear and buy new gear, I can access the patch cords via that door, and not have to crawl in. I have no intention of climbing back there, or unloading/loading the racks on regular basis. That's what the patch bays are for, which haven't been installed yet. Almost there though!

The two sets of racks aren't as exposed or convienent as I'd normally strive for, but I decided I'd rather have the floor space with the hope that i'm not rewiring my studio every time I use it. I have six amps (one being a 4x12 cabinet) and a drum set to squeeze in here too.
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Frederic,

Where did you get them rack rails and for how much? Also I seen that there are different kinds... depths widths etc... What kind did you use?

I'm purchasing the Mackie ONYX 400F and am going to build my own rack using rack rails...

I just read that the Mackie Onyx 400f is 19inches wide and the rack mounts being 3/4" wide.

Is that standard?

Appreciate it.

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The rack rails in the recorder rack under the console, as well as the longer ones that are part of the 4-bay producer's desk, are made by Middle Atlantic Products (often called "MAP"). I got them at zzounds, sweetwater or musician's friend, I don't recall which. The rails themselves were fairly inexpensive. 18U is about $38 for the pair normally, I got them on sale for about 60% of that. Musician's friend also sells "generic" rails much cheaper but only go up to 16U. My producer's desk was designed around 18U rails.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/...se_pid/451432/

For the "doghouse" I couldn't be bothered placing an order for a pair of 5U rails, so instead I used scraps of an old aluminum relay rack, normally found in computer data centers. I have a few of these left over from when I owned an ISP, and these rails are much wider - about 2" wide. Since these rails are made of "C" channel rather than angle iron, I not only cut off a length I needed (5U in this case), I also ripped them lenghtwise on the table saw, since they are aluminum. This gives me two angle irons with pre drilled, pre tapped holes, out of one section of "C" channel rack piece. So in a nutshell, a 48U relay rack results in 96U of usable space. The difference is the "rails" I hacked out have to be supported by a structure, rather than free standing like was originally intended.

Ripping aluminum rack rails on a table saw is fine too... since aluminum is softer than many hardwoods like maple and oak. Just have to feed slowly as not to have the saw blade "bite" and get stuck.

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I just read that the Mackie Onyx 400f is 19inches wide and the rack mounts being 3/4" wide.

Is that standard?
There really is no standard. The MAP rails I used required a 19-1/8" rough opening. The doghouse rails I hacked out required a 21-1/8" rough opening because they are wider.

If the width of the rough opening is off a hair, it's okay, because rack gear by the EIA standard are supposed to have elongated mounting holes, so you have a little room for error. Certain brands of rack gear ignore this, and use round holes so the rails have to be almost precise. Some of the older EMU gear for example, is like that.

When I was making the producer's desk and the recorder rack, I made two 19-1/8" spacers out of scrap wood. I'd make one rack rail vertical, put one spacer on the floor, and tape the other to the top, then press against it the next rack vertical... so every rack was perfectly spaced 19-1/8" wide and I didn't have to remeasure and use a level to make sure things were vertical, once I got the first one perfect. The two spacers had a 1/16" hole drilled in the center, and a finishing nail pushed through, which once I got the spacers in the right place, I'd tap the nail a little bit so it bit into the floor or the top of the rack frame, but not all the way so I could easily pull it out. Just enough to hold the spacers in place.

Made for quick rack building.
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Thanks for clearin that up...

So these would work? The link you posted seemed to not have elongated holes...

I just have to make sure to space them out correctly then I guess...

Thanks.
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Sure, they'd work fine.

By enlongated holes, I mean in the rear gear not the rack rails. I figured you knew that, just wanted to make sure.

Usually the rails (at least the ones I've bought) come with a 1"x2" piece of paper that tells you the width of the rough opening. If not, all is not lost, all you need is two pieces of gear, or two blank panels:

Put a piece of gear on the table. Attach the rack rails to that gear. Attach the second piece of gear to the top of the rail rails. Now comes the clever, fiddly part.

Loosen the screws on the left rail just a little, and shift the left rack rail to the left, so it's resting on the left side of the elongated holes in the equipment. Tighten screws.

Loosen the screws on the right rail just a little, and shift the right rail to the LEFT so it's resting on the left side of the elongated holes.

Now it will look funny - the gear is shifted to the right, on the rack rails. Measure the width of the outside of the rails, and now you know what your rough opening should be.
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Hello frederic. Hey buddy, excuse my manners for infringing on your thread. Just want to answer Darryls question, then I'm outta here. I'll post a BUNCH of stuff in the DIY thread this weekend after I finish some stuff.

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can we assume it is a non-functional piece meant for decorative purposes or does this have a mind-blowing function for your custom studio?
I wish Actually, there are many purposes for it.
The first and formost is FUN. I love to build things Darryl and this thing has been so much fun cause it doesn't have to satisfy some predesigned purpose. I have a general vauge idea of what I want it to look like when its finished. And really, this thing has been in my head since I was a kid. Don't know where it comes from, except every time I'm on the phone and have a pencil and paper in front of me, when I'm done with the call, there is a "doodle" on the paper that I drew spontaineously while talking. Almost sub conciously. They all come out similar. This thing is a concious effort to replicate it in physical form. In a way, it is my own attempt at sculpture.

The second is a sconce lighting. Once finished, this "thing" wil be filled with all kinds of light bulbs and types of lights and circuits. Incandescent clear and colored bulbs for indirect illumination, rope lights, 12v colored neon lighting tubes for cars, auto bulbs, LED's of various colors, size, and configurations including some strips with 20 or so LED's, which I will ask some questions on the DIY thread regarding computer controlled "scenes".......whew! Anyway, there are various little auto dashboard LED "spot" lights, and a couple of Fiber optic lamps that the fibers are distributed to "light points" drilled into the extrusions. Then there are the.....ahem......"special effect lights"....which are actually LAZER LEVELS. ...five of them. Very cool reflections. And finally, the unit itself will be illuminated by lamps hidden in the edge of my console "cloud". There is even a small slide projector to superimpose images on the extrusions..... Crazy huh? Damn but its fun!

Ok, on with the other purposes. I already said this ain't finished by any means. In fact, there are TONS of things that go on this thing. AND, it is only PART of the overall effect on my sidewalls. What is hard to illustrate, is this is part of the sidewall ABSORBER/DIFFUSER elements at each end of the console. This is sort of a "quasi diffuser grill", that interfaces with a multilevel or thickness absorber/diffuser, made of rigid fiberglass and wood, which is the backdrop and mounting device for this "thingy". Actually, this thing hangs on two "slatwall" hangbar brackets, which in turn, hang from a special piece of "aluminum slatwall" extrusion which is 6" wide and runs the length of the room to the back wall. This "slatwall" piece will allow me to hang guitars, bases, speakers, headphones, cables etc from special slatwall brackets I've collected, where ever I want. On both sidewalls. You see, there are TWO of these units
Third is a cable trough. Right under the slatwall extrusion is a room length cable trough on the wall, to carry all the snakes and cables from the console to the tape machine closet at the rear wall, which houses two Tascam MSR-16's and a 42b 2 track, and a Teac 2300 7" RR 2 trk. Plus some cassette decks, amps etc. The rear wall is a project in itself. Later on that in the DIY thread. Ok, this cable trough is actually a 3 1/2" deep horizontal "tray" mounted on the wall. It has a removable gloss black laminate/MDF "cover", that is flush with the face of the rear sidewall "slat absorbers"
This cover runs behind the "thingy", carrying cables to it from the console, which brings up the next purpose.
Within this "thingy", are a couple of aluminum extrusion "boxes" that house Mic inputs, Hi z inputs, headphone outputs, and rear Sound Surround speaker outputs. The speakers hang from decoupled slatwall brackets. I only hang them when I want to use them. Otherwise, they are not there.

You see Darryl, these extrusions are used throughout my studio. In my console, tape machine racks, cieling "diffuser" lighting, trim around doors etc, and anywhere else I can use them as I have a ton of different profiles and colors, and up to 12' long. You'll see once I start my posts in the DIY thread.
Ok, you asked, there ya go!
Thats about it. So far anyway Again, sorry frederic.
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