Samples of the Jecklin Disc/Baffled Omnis/OSS method on a pipe organ.

[BigRay]

http://www2.sendthisfile.com/d.jsp?t...M9JLDnkLxluJ9H <<(sample)
the chain was: DPA 4061s(mounted on a jecklin disc)>>>dpa mma6000(pre for the 4061s)>>>mytek stereo 192 adc>>>sound devices 722 hard disc recorder.
pics below as well. The original file was recorded at 24/96 and converted to mp3 with Wavelab 5.01b


http://www.josephson.com/tn5.html

info on this method can be found in the link directly above.

[northsiderap]

I like posts like this... I feel for ya - - - someone hacking up a lung torwards the end of the recording there...

[mshilarious]

Link isn't working

[BigRay]

http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...S1G7YODNJLMUIW

[mshilarious]

Well, I only dream of recording organs like that, but . . . sounds kinda mushy and the bass is nodish . . . I wonder what that column was doing to you in terms of the highs, which aren't as sparkly as my best organ CDs It's also a very mono recording--are those the little DPAs, mounted right on the disc? Some spacing might help there.

[BigRay]

Originally Posted by mshilarious

Well, I only dream of recording organs like that, but . . . sounds kinda mushy and the bass is nodish . . . I wonder what that column was doing to you in terms of the highs, which aren't as sparkly as my best organ CDs It's also a very mono recording--are those the little DPAs, mounted right on the disc? Some spacing might help there.

The spacing was perfect, the height was perfect. The director and I spent 4 hours the night before the concert analyzing the best place to put my gear. If anything..the location in terms of how far away from it I was..was the biggest factor in it not being "perfect or stunning" ...your best organ CDs were probably recorded with more than two channels and more money. (now i have other gear at my disposal, but wanted to see how the DPAS handled the task on the j-disc) i dont know what you mean about "sparkly" or "nodish" but ..ok??? yes those are the little DPAs. (4061s)
. I have a pretty good idea of what I could improve and 99% of it is location.
The other 1% is getting my levels a little higher. Bear in mind too, that MP3s arent going to be the best representation of what was recorded, as frequencies are stripped. On my DVD Audio/Playback setup, it sounds really good.thanks for the input. Duly noted. I am a newbie at pipe organ and massive cathedrals, but it is a challenge like no other.

teddy

[Wil Davis]

Well, I clicked on the link - and here's what I got:



- Wil

[BigRay]

Originally Posted by Wil Davis

Well, I clicked on the link - and here's what I got:



- Wil

Thats why i put reply #4 (another place to download it)

Teddy

[mshilarious]

Not sparkly = no content above 10kHz. Could be a problem with the .mp3, since it practically flatlines there. Encode at a higher rate.

Nodish=some bass notes really stick out, around 100Hz. That might just be the way it is in the cathedral.

As for the mono-ness, I subtracted R from L and it nulled. You might have a look at the .mp3. Since you want us to listen to the baffled omni techique We can't.

[BigRay]

Originally Posted by mshilarious

Not sparkly = no content above 10kHz. Could be a problem with the .mp3, since it practically flatlines there. Encode at a higher rate.

Nodish=some bass notes really stick out, around 100Hz. That might just be the way it is in the cathedral.

As for the mono-ness, I subtracted R from L and it nulled. You might have a look at the .mp3. Since you want us to listen to the baffled omni techique We can't.

Will do ...I will repost in FLAC. Itll be a little bigger, and take longer to download.

[BigRay]

hmm...welll I used the Wavelab 5.0 like I always do...for some reason the waveforms are identical...what would cause this???my SOP is this:
autosplit the WAV to a ch left and ch right (2 mono files). I then open up the individual files in wavelab and analyse the gain to see where I am peaking. If it is peaking too low, I add whatever gain I need to to make the WAV peak at 0db. I repeat this with the other channel. I then do an audio montage with wavelab and render the two Mono files into one stereo file. is there anything in that process that would cause me to get the exact same thing in both channels??this is weird...it has happened once before too. Adding gain doesnt make one channel identical to the other...so any thoughts/??this explains your mono sound....also...my recorder has the option of recording either WAV Poly or WAV mono. should I record them seperate or together...but any help with this problem would be great. I am confused now.

Originally Posted by mshilarious

Not sparkly = no content above 10kHz. Could be a problem with the .mp3, since it practically flatlines there. Encode at a higher rate.

Nodish=some bass notes really stick out, around 100Hz. That might just be the way it is in the cathedral.

As for the mono-ness, I subtracted R from L and it nulled. You might have a look at the .mp3. Since you want us to listen to the baffled omni techique We can't.

[mshilarious]

Originally Posted by BigRay

hmm...welll I used the Wavelab 5.0 like I always do...for some reason the waveforms are identical...what would cause this???my SOP is this:
autosplit the WAV to a ch left and ch right (2 mono files). I then open up the individual files in wavelab and analyse the gain to see where I am peaking. If it is peaking too low, I add whatever gain I need to to make the WAV peak at 0db. I repeat this with the other channel. I then do an audio montage with wavelab and render the two Mono files into one stereo file. is there anything in that process that would cause me to get the exact same thing in both channels??this is weird...it has happened once before too. Adding gain doesnt make one channel identical to the other...so any thoughts/??this explains your mono sound....also...my recorder has the option of recording either WAV Poly or WAV mono. should I record them seperate or together...but any help with this problem would be great. I am confused now.

A couple of thoughts: are you sure the files were panned in Audio Montage? Or if after you rendered, you had all three .wavs open (L, R, and stereo), you could have accidentally encoded the wrong .wav. I'm wondering that because your .mp3 peaks at -1.55dBFS.

Also, I wouldn't normalize the channels separately, that will screw with your imaging. Leave the .wav as a stereo file, process the channels together, and then encode.

[BigRay]

Originally Posted by mshilarious

A couple of thoughts: are you sure the files were panned in Audio Montage? Or if after you rendered, you had all three .wavs open (L, R, and stereo), you could have accidentally encoded the wrong .wav. I'm wondering that because your .mp3 peaks at -1.55dBFS.

Also, I wouldn't normalize the channels separately, that will screw with your imaging. Leave the .wav as a stereo file, process the channels together, and then encode.

I dont even know where the pan feature is in wavelab on the audio montage.
another question...would you hard pan the left ch left and right ch right??
i didnt have all three open. What happens is you open one (in my case it was the left ch) and go to "edit" then there is an option to "make audio montage from WAV" so that wav goes to the audio montage window. then you just insert the other one. maybe I inserted the same one twice....I never "normalize", but rather use the "add gain" option.Normalizing raises the noise floor. I just do "change gain". Sorry for the flurry of questions, but this issue raises a couple of others. Teddy

[mshilarious]

Originally Posted by BigRay

I dont even know where the pan feature is in wavelab on the audio montage.
another question...would you hard pan the left ch left and right ch right??
i didnt have all three open. What happens is you open one (in my case it was the left ch) and go to "edit" then there is an option to "make audio montage from WAV" so that wav goes to the audio montage window. then you just insert the other one. maybe I inserted the same one twice....I never "normalize", but rather use the "add gain" option.Normalizing raises the noise floor. I just do "change gain". Sorry for the flurry of questions, but this issue raises a couple of others. Teddy

Audio Montage defaults to sending mono channels to both left and right, center panned.

There are a few ways to pan in Audio Montage: you can use a pan envelope, you can right click and drag on the left and right fader control independently; but most straightforward for left and right tracks that are mono is use the Audio Dispatch (the little "Lf : Rf" label); deselect right for the left channel, and deselect left for the right channel.

Alternatively, when you open the files in the Montage, if you select two .wav files at a time, they will default to opening as a stereo track. In fact a stereo track will not let you add a single mono file.

[BigRay]

GOOD INFO! I had no idea...now one more thing...this is my final question. (I am somewhat of a wl5 noob with some tasks) in the normal window(not the montage)..where are the pan controls??And would you completely pan left channel all the way and right all the way right??? Thanks so very much. I am going to try to unscrew this and get a new clip up.Thanks for the patience.

Originally Posted by mshilarious

Audio Montage defaults to sending mono channels to both left and right, center panned.

There are a few ways to pan in Audio Montage: you can use a pan envelope, you can right click and drag on the left and right fader control independently; but most straightforward for left and right tracks that are mono is use the Audio Dispatch (the little "Lf : Rf" label); deselect right for the left channel, and deselect left for the right channel.

Alternatively, when you open the files in the Montage, if you select two .wav files at a time, they will default to opening as a stereo track. In fact a stereo track will not let you add a single mono file.

[mshilarious]

Originally Posted by BigRay

GOOD INFO! I had no idea...now one more thing...this is my final question. (I am somewhat of a wl5 noob with some tasks) in the normal window(not the montage)..where are the pan controls??And would you completely pan left channel all the way and right all the way right???

There aren't any. the .wav window is just an editor, it isn't used for mixing. You have to open the two mono .wav files as a stereo .wav by selecting two files when you go through File/Open/Wave, but then you effectively get a hard panned stereo file.

[BigRay]

Thanks man. Well, I figured out that something in the render dialog caused the duplication of the channels. I then figured out that I didnt even have to render, but just change the levels if needed from the main WAV editor window. Now, on to my second task of figuring out this "static" on my other organ recording.

i know for a fact it isnt mic overloading, as the mics are rated at way above what the DB level was, as is the preamp. it sounds exactly like TV Static, only quieter...

i will post a sample in a minute...maybe a guru can look at it??

[BigRay]

http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1...W01F41CDGGRJMD

Can someone open this and tell me where the static may be coming from??

it is a 24/96 WAV file.

I really appreciate this. It is quite annoying, this static.

Teddy