Home Recording

Go Back   Home Recording > User Forums by Brand > n-track User Forum


        

                                
                                10/30 - [video] Demo Roland TD-20SX
     Audiofanzine Music-software Music-software News Music-software Medias Music-software Tests Music-software Articles Music-software User Reviews Music-software Classifieds Ads
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-05-2000
Rowan Rowan is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: York, England
Posts: 5
Rep Power: 0
Rowan is on a distinguished road
Hello,

can anyone explain to me how to use volume automation in n-tracks. I've read the manual but I still don't get it. It looks like you're supposed to draw a series of diagonal lines across the waveform using nodes. Could someone talk me through, for example, using this method to lower the volume on the choruses of a mono guitar track.

Thanks.
  #2  
Old 10-16-2000
DaveO's Avatar
DaveO DaveO is offline
Force of Nature
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Southern New Jersey, USA
Age: 45
Posts: 590
Rep Power: 6514
DaveO has a reputation beyond reputeDaveO has a reputation beyond reputeDaveO has a reputation beyond reputeDaveO has a reputation beyond reputeDaveO has a reputation beyond reputeDaveO has a reputation beyond reputeDaveO has a reputation beyond reputeDaveO has a reputation beyond reputeDaveO has a reputation beyond reputeDaveO has a reputation beyond reputeDaveO has a reputation beyond repute
Post

Rowan,

I haven't really used the volume automation feature other than to futz with it a little. I used the Help function to find out a little and at least the basics were simple to do. However, I haven't used it in a song yet.

Go into Help --> Contents, then in the Index line type "automation" in the topic line. I actually haven't read the manual, so I don't know if it's pretty cryptic or not. However, this page was pretty straightforward.
__________________
____________________________________________
Dave O.
  #3  
Old 10-29-2000
Rowan Rowan is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: York, England
Posts: 5
Rep Power: 0
Rowan is on a distinguished road
Thanks. I'll try that.


Thanks for replying
  #4  
Old 10-31-2000
Tom Hicks's Avatar
Tom Hicks Tom Hicks is offline
1K Silver Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Cowtown TX
Posts: 1,465
Rep Power: 26
Tom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant future
record fader movements

Open the mixer box and click on the little "R" button.It will then record your fader movements.Bear in mind that will be a lag depending on how your buffering is set up (fast or slow).Untill you get used to doing it,anticipate your motions to counteract the lag.After messing with it a bit you'll see what I mean.
Tom

  #5  
Old 10-31-2000
Donny Donny is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 147
Rep Power: 10
Donny is on a distinguished road
Crazy

Manuals, Manuals, Manuals their driving me CRAZY!!!!
__________________
Donny
  #6  
Old 11-02-2000
Skyline609 Skyline609 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Posts: 145
Rep Power: 10
Skyline609 is on a distinguished road
Smile volume automation

I think this form of automation is the easiest to work with.
Tom's idea with having n tracks record the volume changes is excellent, but your cpu needs to be a powerhouse.

Its really not that hard to do it the regular way, you just have to understand how it works. First bring up your volume envelopes. Youll see a line that is inserted in the middle of each tracks waveform. Think of this line as your fader now. Instead of having to move the fader by hand, you will tell the computer to do it for you.

a standing line in the middle of the waveform indicates no change in volume. If it falls below the middle, you are cutting the volume, likewise if it rises above you are boosting the volume level. recognizing how the wave looks cooresponding to the song is crucial. Watching the wave and its parts as the song plays will give you an idea of where you should be boosting or cutting.

when you have decided where you would like to insert your volume change, for example, a 3 second electric guitar riff in a song that should stand out a bit more, you need to apply the nodes that will control the change. this is a bit complicated because moving nodes can make the whole level of the whole track, but if placed correctly, you will have no problem. A general rule to get started with placing nodes: first target the section of the waveform you are going to apply the envelope to. Then what you want to do is place a node on each side of this section of the wave part. Zoom in as close as possible to ensure you are placing the node as close to where the sound starts and ends. Next you are going to place two more nodes next to each of the ones you just placed, on the outside of it. Then from there you adjust the two sets of inner nodes to fit the volume you are hoping for, and the rest of the wave will not be affected.

XVXVX XVXVXVXVXVXV XVXVXV

if this was your various waveforms in the song--- and you want to apply volume autmoation to the middle section and not the two outside sections...here is how the nodes will look.

XVXVX . . XVXVXVXVXVXV . . XVXVXV

notice the periods indicate where you placed the nodes. remember that you should only move the inner nodes for the volume change. ****The outer nodes should only be moved to adjust how quickly or slowly the volume boost occurs. For example, having the outer set of nodes close to the inner set will cause a quick change, while having them further apart will denote a slower change aka.. a fade.

This probably seems a bit confusing but, once you play with it, it becomes no sweat.. just fool with it a bit. hope this helps,
Luke
  #7  
Old 11-06-2000
Rowan Rowan is offline
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: York, England
Posts: 5
Rep Power: 0
Rowan is on a distinguished road
Tom:

I tried that a while back. It didn't work, probably because my computer is so puny.

Skyline609:

this is the reply I was hoping to get. Exactly the stuff I want to know. Many thanks.
  #8  
Old 11-06-2000
Tom Hicks's Avatar
Tom Hicks Tom Hicks is offline
1K Silver Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Cowtown TX
Posts: 1,465
Rep Power: 26
Tom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant futureTom Hicks has a brilliant future
I'm using a PIII 600

I get about 24 tracks with effects.Submixing only drums and backup vocals to keep their relative levels intact against the mix.I find the fader automation feature great for doing quick demo mixes.I normally use the fade-in,fade-out and crossfade features in preference to manual drawing and setting up nodes.But there's more than one way to skin a cat so use whatever works best for you.
regards
Tom

 



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump
Google
 


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 21:30.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995-2008 Audiofanzine except where noted. All Rights Reserved.