Compressors: outboard vs. built-in

[osz]

I just got a Yamaha 4416 and I'm using Sebatron and EH tube pres and a variety of mics.

My question is, will any of the low-end compressors discussed around here exceed the quality of the built-in compressor in my DAW? Like the RNC? Would this be a significant step up?

Thanks!

[Massive Master]

RNC's are nice... Art Pro VLA is nice... I would imagine the RNLA is a decent piece (although I have no personal experience with it as of yet). Those are about the only "budget" units I'd really suggest off hand.

[Joel Hamilton]

Dbx 160 x or XT or A.

There is a reason there is at least two in every studio on the planet...

NOT sexy, NOT covered in big knobs or VU's, but great compression that will work for just about anything.

I use them ALL the time and I have managed to collect a bunch of great vintage and custom compressors over the years....

[osz]

Thanks, guys.

(BTW, what's the big idea? I ask a simple, friendly question and someone gives me negative rep points? I know I'm new here, but what did I do wrong?)

[Kevin Deschwazi]

Originally Posted by osz

Thanks, guys.

(BTW, what's the big idea? I ask a simple, friendly question and someone gives me negative rep points? I know I'm new here, but what did I do wrong?)

There's someone here who will give neg rep to anyone mentioning EH and in particular the 12AY7 mic pre, I'm guessing that's why you got yours. I own one as well so I've had my fair share from him too.

Don't let one arsehole put you off, there're plenty of pleasant and helpful people around on the BBS including a few highly respected pros like Joel and Massive.

[Joel Hamilton]

Originally Posted by osz

Thanks, guys.

(BTW, what's the big idea? I ask a simple, friendly question and someone gives me negative rep points? I know I'm new here, but what did I do wrong?)

Please feel free to PM me directly if you like. I will answer when I have a second (usually before or after a session).

And this is for fun:

The EH 12AY7 mic pre is great. I am glad you mentioned the EH 12AY7 mic pre. The EH12AY7 seems like a great choice for your setup.

Aside from the EH12Ay7, which is not a compressor (it is a 12AY7 mic pre, by EH)



I have no rep anyway!

Enjoy!

[xstatic]

Cheap compression isn't going to be much nicer, but would offer you some selection which is always a good idea I am not familiar with the comps on the 4416, but I am familiar with the comps on the DM series. The RNC is kind clean neutral compression sound, but really starts to muck things up once you hit about 6db of compression. The yamaha DM series comps are very similar to the RNC in that they are pretty invisible, but only really go down about 6 or 9 db band then they fall apart.

The DBX 16X range is nice because you can get a fairly clean low ratio type sound, or you can drive that baby down there a bit and hit -15 and such without really coming unglued. Th ehigh ratio's seem to work a little better than things like the RNC as well. In general however, all DBX gear will impart it's sonic stamp. The RNC tends to stay out of your way more. The newer DBX doesn't seem to sound quite as "big" as the old stuff, but it still does a pretty decent job shaping fronts and backs of sounds and giving them a new feel. The RNC seems to be the opposite. No new feel (unless you hit it too hard), just a new volume. For some people I guess that is better though

[Massive Master]

Originally Posted by osz

...and someone gives me negative rep points? I know I'm new here, but what did I do wrong?)

Zing! Back in positive territory.

[FALKEN]

I really like the bluemax but nobody seems to agree with this one. I wouldn't run my vocals through anything else.

[notbradsohner]

really? thats pretty weird. I tried that whole line of blue, stuff, and couldnt find anything I liked

[FALKEN]

thats cool. that only makes my sound more "unique"..heh heh. its the only compressor I have that doesn't add any pumping and breathing onto vocals and bass. I need a 2nd one. and I've tried a lot, including the RNC...

[osz]

Thanks, Massive!

For a minute there I thought I might have deeply offended someone with stock in Yamaha.

Sounds like I need to spend a little cash, but not too much, to improve on the 4416's compressors. I'm thinkin' Dbx. No point in buying something I'm going to want to replace immediately. Thanks for the advice...

[MISTERQCUE]

Yo' osz, you asked a most valid question which yielded excellent advice & opinions along with some solid tips!
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[Massive Master]

I agree. I think that's okay, right?