PICS! 1/2 WAY UNTIL THE ROOM IS DONE Everyone please help me out (final suggestions)

[Mr Music]

Hey guys, I will try and provide as much info as possible!

So here is the situation…I don’t care about noise coming from the outside or the noise coming out from the inside…I care about my acoustics…

I want my raw recording to be perfect…I plan on recording in this room and do light mixing (just to play around)
My real mixes will be done by a professional- that’s why I need the recordings to be perfect RAW…

So far I’ve only hung up my bass traps and one cloud over the desk…

My room is 17 by 9 feet…has 2 doors…has 3 windows…the ceiling is 8 feet high…

As you can see I in the pics below that I have already put up the bass traps and one cloud…

This is what I want to do now…

Side walls
More clouds above the recording area, my mic will be in the middle of the room…a little closer to the back of the room though
Anything else that’s missing

I followed this site http://www.hp-h.com/p/hapicmpur/homespunStudio.htm for the bass traps and clouds instructions…
My clouds are 2 inches thick and are about 7 inches away from the ceiling…
My bass traps are 4 inches thick and are put up to the wall…except the bottom one is a little bit farther…

Now I need to make my absorbers in a smart way so that they decrease the reverb echo etc.

VSpaceBoy (thanks a lot by the way)
Provided me with a better way on how to make my side walls treated…
Rather than just hanging the 2 inch absorbers away from the wall some inches- he provided me with this way that is more effective…

Right here:
http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/sho...d.php?t=168711


The only problem is- I guess im retarded because I just don’t understand what the diagram shows lol…I know I get it, but I don’t know how to make this…I have no clue on how to construct or where to start…
I made the bass traps and still have a lot of fiberglass and material to use…but I don’t get where to start…

Q1- Could you guys help me out with stuff that will make this room FINISHED…
Q2- Could you guys help me on how I could make these better “more advanced” side wall absorbers…
Q3- I will do anything to make this room the best it can be, please provide me with as much info as possible…

I just want to mention that I read all the links that I could read on this site…
Please don’t show me stuff that’s too complex because I guess Im not getting it…Either its soo easy that I get it too much that its unbelievable…or that its so complex that I don’t get it at all…LOL!

What would you do to this room

I want to put the absorbers all over the walls…doors….windows….etc…

Please help me with as much info/suggestions are possible!
I will provide more info if needed!

Thank You all soo much!

HERE ARE THE PICTURES!!!!

http://www.rapwar.ru/blank/


( a friend posted the pics on some weird site, please zoom in if you cant see well )

[Mr Music]

by the way i wanted to mention there is still a little corner behind the door which i still cover with bass traps once the door is closed so not to worry


zoom in on the pics to make the quality better


thanks everyone! please reply!

[bcains]

Some links:
Sealing off windows
Acoustic Reference
John Sayers Acoustic (Forum)

Those might help, if not post your situation at John's forum, that site is completely dedicated to construction etc.

Good luck

[apl]

How does it sound?

Basically, you want the room to have a little life, but not have any resonances.

Did you review Ethan's article?

For mids and highs, about 30% coverage is plenty, and you want as much bass absorption as you can get.

Hope this helps.

[VSpaceBoy]

Let talk this out...


What part is giving you the most trouble in constructing this?

[Mr Music]

Originally Posted by VSpaceBoy

Let talk this out...


What part is giving you the most trouble in constructing this?

well first off i dont get the slant...the board/fabric going sideways...
because in the real pics= everything seems to be straight, so thats weird....but i think its just the pics....the slant is not that big so in the real studio pics you cant really see it....but ok i get it now....there is a little slant i guess....when you zoom in....

i just dont undestand....wouldnt there be a reflection off the wood?

plus, those little slots....little line openings through the board- IS THAT REALLY GONNA DO A LOT OF WORK ?

also, thats a hell lot of wood......that will cost me a shit load....i already baught a lot of rigid fiberglass.....and lot of fabric

i mean.....so much wood would be insane for my budget....

this is what i meant
they are all on a little slant i guess'
http://www.johnlsayers.com/Studio/Ma...-laptoppop.htm

what wood would i use and how many do you think ill need of those in my room

plus i dont get it, i thought they were supposed to be away from the wall.....now im really confused....one article says one thing, the other says another.....i hate physics lol

please inform me



Spaceboy- by the way what do you think of the way the room is so far?

[Mr Music]

http://www.johnlsayers.com/Studio/Ma...-laptoppop.htm

okkkk now i see it

[Ptownkid]

They're really easy to build, and yes they do a lot. Yes they are on a slant, and it is obvious to me in the pics.The wood is whatever wood you can come by cheap. Yes it is reflective and yes though little slots do absorb.

They go right against the wall.

I built mine only 8 inches deep, and they worked out great.

To make the actual boxes I used half inch MDF. With one sheet, which is worth 15 dollars you can make the framing for 2 of them. Then you'd need no more than 75 bucks worth of pine boards from home depot for the slats, 10 bucks worth of material, and 3 pieces of 3-4 inch insulation assuming you make em like 6 feet high.

I'm sure you can make two for less than 100 if you already have some rigid.

How many do you need is a relative question, 2 is better than none and will break up the parallel walls better than none.

Feel free to ask more questions.

[c7sus]

The slant helps with diffusion.

Be sure and check out Ethan's site and also Sayers. Ethan has a mode calculator that can guide you to which frequencies and harmonics might be a problem in your room. You also might be able to benefit from Ethan's mid-trap designs if you can screw stuff to the walls and ceiling.

My slot resonator was designed to center at 250Hz, with the range being 110-roughly 600Hz.

Another tip is to move your mixing position so your listening space is about 2/3 the distance from the wall behind you.

So far you've only put up one trap. Put up all four and the cloud, move your listening position a bit and audition the room.

Like APL said, you want the room to be neutral. If you have a big honk at 250 or 500 or whatever you'll be hearing it eventually on your recordings.

[Mr Music]

ok so i want to make a list of stuff that has to be done still

judging by the pics

1. More clouds (im guessing ill put 2 more close to eachother, over the recording area) ...including the one thats already up, i will have 3 on the ceiling...2 inch thick...

2. 2 Slot resonators *as suggested* ( one on each side of the big side walls i have on the pics)

3. The floor i will leave as carpet, but I will have a huge peice of plywood that I will lay down when recording acoustic guitar etc.

4. Absorbers all around the room's walls...

Is this really it?


You guys, please tell me what else I would need to have up, so i can calculate how many of the things i need so i can calculate my prices...


I dont get it, the absorbers on
http://www.hp-h.com/p/hapicmpur/homespunStudio.htm
and the absorber explination on some other pages states that it should and is better to have it away from the wall...hanging etc...
should i still have absorbers around too while having the slot resonators...



anyways, please tell me what else you would apply to the room i have made so far...and is it done right so far


thx

[Mr Music]

Originally Posted by c7sus

The slant helps with diffusion.

Be sure and check out Ethan's site and also Sayers. Ethan has a mode calculator that can guide you to which frequencies and harmonics might be a problem in your room. You also might be able to benefit from Ethan's mid-trap designs if you can screw stuff to the walls and ceiling.

My slot resonator was designed to center at 250Hz, with the range being 110-roughly 600Hz.

Another tip is to move your mixing position so your listening space is about 2/3 the distance from the wall behind you.

So far you've only put up one trap. Put up all four and the cloud, move your listening position a bit and audition the room.

Like APL said, you want the room to be neutral. If you have a big honk at 250 or 500 or whatever you'll be hearing it eventually on your recordings.

ill check it out

[VSpaceBoy]

Originally Posted by Mr Music

ok so i want to make a list of stuff that has to be done still

judging by the pics

1. More clouds (im guessing ill put 2 more close to eachother, over the recording area) ...including the one thats already up, i will have 3 on the ceiling...2 inch thick...

2. 2 Slot resonators *as suggested* ( one on each side of the big side walls i have on the pics)

3. The floor i will leave as carpet, but I will have a huge peice of plywood that I will lay down when recording acoustic guitar etc.

4. Absorbers all around the room's walls...

Is this really it?


You guys, please tell me what else I would need to have up, so i can calculate how many of the things i need so i can calculate my prices...


I dont get it, the absorbers on
http://www.hp-h.com/p/hapicmpur/homespunStudio.htm
and the absorber explination on some other pages states that it should and is better to have it away from the wall...hanging etc...
should i still have absorbers around too while having the slot resonators...



anyways, please tell me what else you would apply to the room i have made so far...and is it done right so far


thx

Everything looks good so far. You want to have both broadband absorbers (what you have now) AND the slot resonators to even out the roomd without making it TOO dead.
You DON'T need to leave room behind the slot resonator at all, push it right up against the wall. If you want to lower the absorbing freq of the resonator you can make the cavity DEEPER inside.

[Mr Music]

ok i did not mention the clouds because those are pretty basic...
i didnt draw them in...

can u please tell me if this is the right place where i should put the side wall absorbers...i drew them in with the red and black line...

also, i dont understand...in the John page...they always have 2 slanted boxes described as 1 absorber...

is 1 absorber with 2 slants (meaning more wood and resources)
or is it just 1...

show me where I should place my side wall absorbers...I have recording and monitring in the same room as you can see by the pics...

should i have 2 more with the along the sides of the desk?

[Mr Music]

do i put 2 of these at the side walls of where the mic will be

and 2 where the mixing will be?


that means i will have to make 4 of these in the pic

http://www.johnlsayers.com/Studio/Ma...-laptoppop.htm

[VSpaceBoy]

This counts as one.



Your goal is to break up the parallel walls at the mix area and the tracking area. So if it was me, in a room that small, I would put them everywhere I could fit them.

[Mr Music]

Originally Posted by VSpaceBoy

This counts as one.



Your goal is to break up the parallel walls at the mix area and the tracking area. So if it was me, in a room that small, I would put them everywhere I could fit them.

budget is a factor here too...if i could put as much of everything everywhere, id just do that

but i want something that will do that work at a minimum

i have my bass traps up...as you can see....cloud....soon more clouds

so if those 2 slants are considered 1....then i will put 1 on each side of monitoring and recording....

ok so i have 2 inch 2 by 4 rigid fiberglass sheets....and i have fabric....

now i just need wood...

is it possible to use ANY ANY wood
even the cheapest cheapest at home depot?

i mean i can get sheets of some cheap wood and make these boxes out of them....

what did you guys use to make the cheapest boxes...

[dcwave]

You get what you pay for. Don't scrimp on room acoustics. I would rather get cheap monitors and mics and pay for the right stuff to treat my room.

[Mr Music]

Originally Posted by dcwave

You get what you pay for. Don't scrimp on room acoustics. I would rather get cheap monitors and mics and pay for the right stuff to treat my room.

i totaly agree with you!
im just afraid i might not make em right

but as far as i understand its nothing much to make...
its just a box
just rather than having a second full wall covering it, there will be peices lines bottom up....rigid fiberglass inside and thats all

but i will still need to ask some questions about this

too bad theres no guide on how to make them step by step

[Ptownkid]

Originally Posted by Ptownkid

They're really easy to build, and yes they do a lot. Yes they are on a slant, and it is obvious to me in the pics.The wood is whatever wood you can come by cheap. Yes it is reflective and yes though little slots do absorb.

They go right against the wall.

I built mine only 8 inches deep, and they worked out great.

To make the actual boxes I used half inch MDF. With one sheet, which is worth 15 dollars you can make the framing for 2 of them. Then you'd need no more than 75 bucks worth of pine boards from home depot for the slats, 10 bucks worth of material, and 3 pieces of 3-4 inch insulation assuming you make em like 6 feet high.

I'm sure you can make two for less than 100 if you already have some rigid.

How many do you need is a relative question, 2 is better than none and will break up the parallel walls better than none.

Feel free to ask more questions.

Ok, I stated right there...MDF FRAME AND PINE SLATS.

I'm not trying to be rude, but you have every piece of info you need and you're asking the same questions over and over as if you're expecting one of us to come along and say "I have a way you can make that room sound like a pro studio for 25 dollars". Well, that just isn't the case.

As far as step by step instructions....you've lost me, the picture that's been posted in this thread four times is so detailed it's not funny. If you have no experience building things, show someone who has and they'll get it right away.

Cheers and best of luck.

[VSpaceBoy]

Well I agree pretty much with what ptown said.

Except it really doesn't matter if you do use MDF or Pine. Use whatever you want, wood is wood for this application. Get a 3/4" piece of plywood and cut it into slats and it would still serve the same purpose. (just make sure to cut it up STRAIGHT)

Just stop second guessing yourself and GET TO WORK!! Quit bitching about cost, I mean your only talking $100 bux worth of wood anyhow.

[Mr Music]

jeez...

im repeating shit cuz i tend to doubt things i have little experience in...

anyways...i get it

ill try and build it all this weekend or whatever

my max amount of boxes to be made is 8...well if you guys say 2 counts as 1....then 4

so i make 4 of those

that means 16 pc. of 2 by 4 feet 2 inch thick fiberglass sheets....
and just lots of wood....lots of it

by the way i have 2 questions

1. does the wood have to be the thickness that it specifies? i have even thinner wood...
2. i have fiberglass sheets that are already wrapped in fabric (fabric only, no wood) so basicly they are 2 inch thick 2by4 sheets of fiberglass in black cotton....

can i just put that in the box rather than covering the back of the slats...


so i guess ill make these 4 boxes with 2 slants each and put them up....
put up more clouds and the room should be working

if not, then i will have to hunt you all individualy and force feed you rigid fiberglass sheets...


haha jokes

anyways, sorry for being annoying
i tend to do that when im excited...

[VSpaceBoy]

Originally Posted by Mr Music

1. does the wood have to be the thickness that it specifies? i have even thinner wood...

How thin? As long as is very solid it shouldn't matter very much.

Originally Posted by Mr Music

2. i have fiberglass sheets that are already wrapped in fabric (fabric only, no wood) so basicly they are 2 inch thick 2by4 sheets of fiberglass in black cotton....can i just put that in the box rather than covering the back of the slats..

That'll work now get busy!!

[Mr Music]

hopefully this is how itll look

4 absorbers with 8 slants

thatll be 8 feet across one side of the room with 4 sheets side by side of 2 feet top and bottom
and 8 feet across the other side of the room with 4 sheets side by side of 2 feet top and bottom


...so all ill need it wood and screws......have the fabric and fiberglass.....


wish me luck.....

[VSpaceBoy]

WoRD!!!!!!!

[Ptownkid]

I totally blanked, I made my units a tad different. The diagram shows a one piece unit, but I broke it down into two units to make it easier to move.

I imagine that you'd be fine by using half of what you have in your picture

cheers