Recording Drummers

[Dijon]

For Best quility do you use compressor mics or percussion mics

[RezN8]

Well, OF COURSE you use percussion mics on percussion instruments, ... er, um... wait...

I'm sorry, could you repeat the question?

[Track Rat]

For best quality, I use USDA 90% lean mics (not a spec of cereal).

[ecktronic]

Just follow the simple rule;
The worse the mic looks then usually the better it picks up percussion.

[Dijon]

Originally Posted by RezN8

Well, OF COURSE you use percussion mics on percussion instruments, ... er, um... wait...

I'm sorry, could you repeat the question?

when you record drums do you get better quility from precussion mic or compessor mics and what about live shows for pa systems and live recording

[PhilGood]

Originally Posted by Dijon

when you record drums do you get better quility from precussion mic or compessor mics and what about live shows for pa systems and live recording

Umm,... when you say "compressor mics", do you mean "condenser mics"? There's no such thing as a compressor mic. You can run mics through a compressor.

Most of the time drums are close mic'd with dynamic mics (a diaphram attached to a magnet run through a coil) and condensers are used for overheads (a capacitor capsule in which the diaphram is charged with an electric current and the difference in capacitance between plates, as sound moves the diaphram, is converted into an audio signal) or for micing hi hats, rides and if they have a pad, drums.

Also, there are some mics which work well for percussion but not really defined as a percussion mic.

Please be more specific.

[Dijon]

Yes i was talking about condenser sorry i got confused. but thanks for the info

[MadAudio]

The words you're looking for are condensor and dynamic. Most mics that are sold as "percussion" mics are usually dynamic.

[Dijon]

Originally Posted by MadAudio

The words you're looking for are condensor and dynamic. Most mics that are sold as "percussion" mics are usually dynamic.

No im right about the "precussion" mic because ive seen dynamic condenser and Percussion mics. They probably are dynamic mics but the for drums. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/.../search?c=4626

[MadAudio]

Originally Posted by Dijon

No im right about the "precussion" mic because ive seen dynamic condenser and Percussion mics. They probably are dynamic mics but the for drums. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/.../search?c=4626

There's no such thing as a dynamic condensor. It's one or the other. You don't know what you're talking about. The mics in that link are dynamics.

And it's spelled percussion.

OK, I'm done with you. I think you're another of Ed's stupid personalities, and I'm tired of this little game!

[PhilGood]

Sorry, I looked through that whole thread and didn't see the words "percussion mic" used once. (except to describe what your micing "perfect for miking snares, toms, and percussion") Yes, those are "drum mics" but they are divided into the standard two groups - dynamic and condenser. They are just designed with the specific intension of micing drums.

Madaudio is right. Most of the time you mic drums with dynamics. Why? Because they handle the sound pressure levels better. They also have a "taylored" response curve that was flattering to drums. Today more and more engineers are finding the sound of condensers adds realism to the sound that wasn't there before. Condensers are more sensitive so they usually need a "pad" to drop the level and keep the preamp from overloading at the louder levels.

Like I said before, a good general setup is to close mic the drums with dynamics and use condensers for overheads. The mic kits can make it easier, but you end up getting mics by one manufacturer that may not suit your personal tastes. Its best to do research and even test mics to find the sound you want. No one can really tell you "this mic is the one you want".

[PhilGood]

Originally Posted by MadAudio

There's no such thing as a dynamic condensor. It's one or the other. You don't know what you're talking about. The mics in that link are dynamics.

And it's spelled percussion.

OK, I'm done with you. I think you're another of Ed's stupid personalities, and I'm tired of this little game!

I think he forgot a comma. dynamic, condenser and percussion.

[PhilGood]

Crap! You know what? I was just browsing musicianfriend and noticed they have a catagory called "Percussion mics". I'll bet that's where the confusion is coming from!

What they are referring to here are microphones (dynamic and condenser) which are most commonly used for drums and other percussion instruments.

Sorry if we came down too hard on you!

[Tim Brown]

Personally, I'm looking for some Concussion mic's myself.
You know, you can mic a tin can with one of them and they will still deliver the impact of an explosion at a professional firework show.


Tim

[Tim Brown]

Even better would be som Precognition mic's!
They know exactly the sound I'm after and deliver it every time!


Tim

[Dijon]

Originally Posted by MadAudio

There's no such thing as a dynamic condensor. It's one or the other. You don't know what you're talking about. The mics in that link are dynamics.

And it's spelled percussion.

OK, I'm done with you. I think you're another of Ed's stupid personalities, and I'm tired of this little game!

first of all before you attack me you stupid mother fucker it was simply a lack of a comma between condenser and dynamic. and second im coming in here to learn that why im asking fucking questions so id appreaciate it if youd shut the fuck up and not be an asshole about it next time ok.. ok

[Dijon]

Originally Posted by PhilGood

Sorry, I looked through that whole thread and didn't see the words "percussion mic" used once. (except to describe what your micing "perfect for miking snares, toms, and percussion") Yes, those are "drum mics" but they are divided into the standard two groups - dynamic and condenser. They are just designed with the specific intension of micing drums.

Madaudio is right. Most of the time you mic drums with dynamics. Why? Because they handle the sound pressure levels better. They also have a "taylored" response curve that was flattering to drums. Today more and more engineers are finding the sound of condensers adds realism to the sound that wasn't there before. Condensers are more sensitive so they usually need a "pad" to drop the level and keep the preamp from overloading at the louder levels.

Like I said before, a good general setup is to close mic the drums with dynamics and use condensers for overheads. The mic kits can make it easier, but you end up getting mics by one manufacturer that may not suit your personal tastes. Its best to do research and even test mics to find the sound you want. No one can really tell you "this mic is the one you want".

ok i asked around and that is basically what you said is waht i heard from the ppl i trust. Ya i thought there was a difference between percussion mics because on the site i clicked the link on the side that said percussion mics. And thanks for clearing up the comma thing for me i hate assholes. lol

[MadAudio]

Originally Posted by Dijon

first of all before you attack me you stupid mother fucker it was simply a lack of a comma between condenser and dynamic. and second im coming in here to learn that why im asking fucking questions so id appreaciate it if youd shut the fuck up and not be an asshole about it next time ok.. ok

Nice mouth. Amazing how good your grammar and spelling get when you're flaming someone, LOL!

Listen, I started off nice, but you quickly discarded what I told you. So I gave you some shit. If you're gonna post here you'd better get used to it.

And for the record "percussion mic" is a marketing term. While there are mics designed to be used with drums, they are usually either dynamic or condensor. The most common types used today are dynamic, condensor (of which there are a few kinds), ribbon, and pressure zone (PZM).



P.S. I'm notorious for correcting spelling. "Motherfucker" is all one word!

EDIT P.P.S. And sorry if you thought I was attacking you. I'm pretty sure now that you are not Ed Rei playing one of his games again.

[PhilGood]

Erg! I always forget about the other two!

[Dijon]

Originally Posted by MadAudio

Nice mouth. Amazing how good your grammar and spelling get when you're flaming someone, LOL!

Listen, I started off nice, but you quickly discarded what I told you. So I gave you some shit. If you're gonna post here you'd better get used to it.

And for the record "percussion mic" is a marketing term. While there are mics designed to be used with drums, they are usually either dynamic or condensor. The most common types used today are dynamic, condensor (of which there are a few kinds), ribbon, and pressure zone (PZM).



P.S. I'm notorious for correcting spelling. "Motherfucker" is all one word!

EDIT P.P.S. And sorry if you thought I was attacking you. I'm pretty sure now that you are not Ed Rei playing one of his games again.

I didnt discard what you said i showwed you what i was talking about you could ahve just said And for the record "percussion mic" is a marketing term. and continued like you did

[MadAudio]

OK, so are we cool now? I really do want to help when I can, and I admit I could have been cooler about it.

[Dijon]

Originally Posted by MadAudio

Nice mouth. Amazing how good your grammar and spelling get when you're flaming someone, LOL!



EDIT P.P.S. And sorry if you thought I was attacking you. I'm pretty sure now that you are not Ed Rei playing one of his games again.

Lol What did ed do? and I normally wouldnt be pissed off but im having a really shitty day and every body is bitching at me and im about to kill a mf-er. lol

[MadAudio]

It's a long story, but basically he's been signing up for multiple user names (which is against HR rules) and just generally annoying people on the site. The sad thing is, he's a seasoned pro who has in the past contributed a lot of good info.

[Dijon]

Originally Posted by MadAudio

It's a long story, but basically he's been signing up for multiple user names (which is against HR rules) and just generally annoying people on the site. The sad thing is, he's a seasoned pro who has in the past contributed a lot of good info.

lmao thats great.

[RezN8]

Originally Posted by Dijon

when you record drums do you get better quility from precussion mic or compessor mics and what about live shows for pa systems and live recording

What type of percussion do you need mics for? They do "tailor" mics now to specific instruments like Djembe, Congas, etc, where you can close mic things (dynamics) but to capture all the percussion (tamb., shakers, bells, etc.) you could use a small condenser (or two) on the overheads for live use.

In the studio, if the room is good, and you find just the right spot, a single large condenser could do wonders.