Advanced guitar cab micing question

[Elmo89m]

OK i had to say advanced to stop people from thinking oh great another guitar
cab micing question.But this one is more specific. I know from other threads that to get good distortion you dual mic and pan left and right. and i know that you can record more tracks this way indifferent tones to beef up the whole signal...but what if you want to do two guitar tracks that are playing the same part on each side yet you can tell they are playing some parts differently.. this baffles me because if you record the first time with two mics and then pan them both to the same side you will get phasing. and then play it a little differently the next time you record and put those two mics on the other side and they will phase. what i want to do is have a guitar intro play for one bar on the right side only and about 3/4s the way thorugh i want to do a pick scrape and then start playing the same intro on the other side...sorry this is so long but im working on a project and need to know how to do this

[Halion]

I never pan 2 mics of the same track to opposite sides. Always to the same side. You say you get phasing when you do that, that means you don't have your mics set up in phase OR (and this is probably what you want to do) you just didn't align them digitally. You can pan both mics to the same side and still have no phasing problem, simply by aligning both tracks in the sequencer. What you need to do is zoom in to the max, so that you can actually see the digital sinewave-like source of both mics. They should be slightly different. Now grab one of the two tracks and move it forward or backward slightly so that the signals align (this is easiest if you can find a transient spike where both signal are very easy to spot).

Good luck!

[Elmo89m]

thanks a lot halion...you showed me what was sitting right in front of me

[Elmo89m]

i probably shouldn't be asking this until i try it first...but i have a feeling it wont work...i want to have to different guitar parts going (a total of four tracks) close and far mics on each part panned to the same side. for the intro... and then when it gets to the chorus i want to back to having just one part with close mic panned one side and far mic panned the other...will i be able to do this with like animation or something or will it just sound choppy?

[Elmo89m]

i guess what im asking is can i change the way im panning a part during the song

[Halion]

Yes it can be done, with Automation. This is like having your hand on a knob (any knob, panning knob in this instance) and turning it at some point in the track. You can do this with your sequencer usually by looking for "write" and "read" buttons (in cubase they are the W and R buttons on each track). Assuming you use cubase, you need to do this:
1) Pan everything the way you want it to be in the beginning.
2) Start playing the song
3) Think about where you want a sertain part to be panned differently, and keep your mouse near that track.
4) Hit the write button.
5) When the moment comes that you want the track to pan differently, grab the panning controller and slight it to where you want it to be.
6) Hit stop.
7) Click write again to dissable the write function. Click the read button.
8) Right click somewhere left of the track (in the clear area surrounding the W, R, e etc. buttons) and select "Show all used Automation". A lane with a blue line should now pop up. You can drag the black dots to change the controller. This is your panning automation. You can draw lines in it to pan wherever you want at any time.
9) Repeat the above steps for every track you want to change the panning on.

Note: You can do this with every control, not just panning. Faders, synth controls, plugin levels, everything.

[Farview]

Panning the two mics on one part is to give you a stereo spread with one guitar performance. If you have two performances, use one mic and pan the two performances hard. You can use two mics but you need to line them up so the phase thing doesn't happen. And you want to pan both mics to the same side. You are using two different mics aren't you?

Some times I use two mics and two performances, I pan 1 mic (each) to the center and the other one hard. This gives you a strong center image.

[Elmo89m]

well what im going to do is pan to mics with the same track on opposite sides for the heavy part and then when the distortion goes off im going to use one mic panned left and one mic panned right on the same track.