Panning reverb/delay?

[BRIEFCASEMANX]

Do you guys pan reverb to a different position than the dry signal???

I was reading about this in The Mix Engineers Handbook and I tried it and I can't get it to sound good. I basically get the reverb/delay setting i like on a track and then turn the mix to 100% and print a copy of that and put it on another track and mix it in to taste but put it at a different L/R position. Do any of you guys do anything like this to try to get a wider stereo image to your mixes??? Any suggestions or tips?

[Megaman]

To tell you the truth, I have never even thought of doing that. Guess I'll play around with it tonight

[freQonavitch]

I do that all the time. I always think of the FX as being layers in a box. Anything with reverb or delay will be pushed back in the mix. So keep in mind that your FX track can cover up anything in that layer or panning position. One thing I do a lot is run an FX track at 100% and print it. Then re-EQ the original track and and mix it slightly in with the FX track to create a double layer.

Depending on what exactly you’re doing, you can also re-EQ the FX track and place it with the original FX track or move it somewhere else in the mix. All depends on what you’re trying to accomplish.

Hope that helps.

[BRIEFCASEMANX]

Originally Posted by freQonavitch

I do that all the time. I always think of the FX as being layers in a box. Anything with reverb or delay will be pushed back in the mix. So keep in mind that your FX track can cover up anything in that layer or panning position. One thing I do a lot is run an FX track at 100% and print it. Then re-EQ the original track and and mix it slightly in with the FX track to create a double layer.

Depending on what exactly you’re doing, you can also re-EQ the FX track and place it with the original FX track or move it somewhere else in the mix. All depends on what you’re trying to accomplish.

Hope that helps.

Oh man, EQ'ing the printed reverb.....why didn't I think of that!? I think part of the reason it wasn't working for me was because I'd move it the the other speaker(not hard panned, but you know, to the other side away from the original dry source) and then the reverb is masking instruments on the other side whereas when it is still attached to it's original source it sounds fine. i'll definitely try EQ'ing the reverb print and see if that helps, thanks!

[BRIEFCASEMANX]

bleh.....still can't get it to work. I'm mixing rock by the way. Mixing is hard

[Bartman]

I recently started experimenting with panning verbs and delays opposite the dry track.

I'm still a novice so I could be doing something fundamentally incorrect, however my LIMITED experience with this technique tells me that it works better with sparse mixes (low track count). When I've done this with multi-layered guitars, it turned to mush pretty quick.

I've achieved a much better sense of depth and space with the verb or delay effect occupying a different soundstage panning than the dry track. I've played around with hard panning the effect on the same side as the dry track which is panned 50-65%. That can sound cool, especially with clean/chiming guitar parts. Anywhoo.....I'm rambling.

Good mixing to you!

Bart

[Halion]

I never pan reverb because it's always already stereo. Just slap the verb plug on a send and that's all the stereo spread I need. A good plugin will give you a verry good stereo image aswell, since reverb comes from all around us, not just one speaker/source/side/point.

[giraffe]

as an effect it might be interesting, but i can't see me useing it often..

[Bartman]

Halion,

How are you applying the stereo verb? Software plugin? Outboard gear? Applied to an individual track? Via a buss?

Please advise.

I'm getting better with using reverbs, but I'm still not thrilled with the sounds I'm getting compared to the better mixes I hear from the MP3 clinic.

Most likely user inexperience on my part.

Thanks,

Bart

[7string]

I've had decent luck with sending aux1 to a bus, applying the verb (100% wet) and panning the bus left. Then sending aux2 to another bus, applying the delay (again 100% wet) and panning that bus right. Ride the bus fader to taste. These are not hard and fast and I only use them on a track that is originally dry and panned to center, i.e. vocal, solo guitar... IF I use them at all.

[Halion]

Plugin, always on a stereo send.