Whiskey In Bed

[D-ragonS5]

I just finished mixing and editing my buddys single "Whiskey In Bed". Version 1 is complete, while Version II is still being worked on.

www.myspace.com/joshfinley

tell me what ya think.

[HeyHeyMyMy]

Is the guitar out of tune? Could be my terrible computer speakers playing tricks on me. It all sounds very quiet too.

[jake-owa]

Nope, that guitar is tuned almost in tune and played kinda rough.

Yikes, not a great song.

maybe someone else could pull it off a heck of a lot better.

[D-ragonS5]

wow arnt you nice guy, thanks for not being in my focus group. the guitar was tuned using a Fender Chromo tuner (AX-12). Of course the recording isnt gonna be great its a line into the pc. But apparently someone liked him since he just got an offer to play in Nashville. The vocals might sound a little off most of that is due to the heavy amount of editing i needed to do because of a humm in the mic. Just so you know out of 100 people that were in the focus group here were a few results:

95% - Would buy cd/demo
90% - Would travel 20+ miles to see a concert
98% - Said it was better than a current comparable song on the radio.

please note im an AMA marketer so all of those in the sample had no idea who he was personlly before we did the focus grouping.

[jake-owa]

Awesome, great for you! Not being sarcastic, that's great.

Gotta tell you though, being tune with a tuner don't mean that much. You have to tune to chords...a tuner will only get you mostly there. It even helps to tune slightly flatter if you will be playing further up the neck, reason being that you tend to pull the strings more when you play higher up. Try this: tune with your tuner till each string is in tune open. Then play each string at every whole step to see if it stays perfectly in tune. On your guitar it doesn't, I can hear it.

A pop filter would be very helpful as well.

Thanks fopr calling me an idiot, that was supercool.

[D-ragonS5]

no left the pop filter off, i tried it but for his demo we wanted an authentic feel. the vocals will be re-recorded when my studio mic gets her (spit gaurd) if you notice he spits a few words and it sounds harsh. He plays the guitar not me.... and he did all the tuning, im guitar illeterate, but he did use a clamp and did tune without the tuner for a few minutes before recording.

idiot remark was to the "says your a pussy remark" since im a noob here i cant have it under my name...

[jake-owa]

So if you had no control over the recording then why are you posting it?

The pop filter would have stopped those nasty 'pops' at the consonant plosives on the words. But then that is just one of many issues.

Funny how you can give someone awesome advice on tuning and they say well, it aint me.

Way to learn here.

Count me in the %10 who would never want to hear this again.

[D-ragonS5]

well im sure hes not heartbroken. Im just the guy with the studio, and this guy is my friend. and no offense to you but im searching though and not finding your music? hmmmm oh well. Like I said the pop filter was left off, i tried it and didnt like it.... because the pops are among an big range of sound waves it actually cause slight blips in the song and when it didnt it was permeated by the humm, which was my main concern. Do we need to rerecord? of course. This was his first time in a studio, and my mic was locked up in the club, so we had to use some old ass pile from the 70's.

Im not being a dick, just trying to tell you where im coming from and why the filter was left off. and the guitar was not out of tune, if it sounds that way its due to the editing and effects in the chain. The redone version has to done in two weeks and will be, with any luck. sorry if your not impressed with a good song, a good voice, and few effects.. then again im still not seeing your work anywhere.

do i play guitar? nope, sure josh will read this and perhaps that will move him.... or not, since he knows how to tune his guitar.


EDIT: Found your stuff, ok so the recording is smooth, but you call it mean? not at all if anything your voice is better suited for Everclear covers.. especialy with that synthics you got in it. and if i may say not to good....i thought maybe you at least would blow my mind.... but alas i am dissapointed, but thanks for the comments and suggestions for josh.

[jake-owa]

Originally Posted by D-ragonS5

well im sure hes not heartbroken. Im just the guy with the studio, and this guy is my friend. and no offense to you but im searching though and not finding your music? hmmmm oh well. Like I said the pop filter was left off, i tried it and didnt like it.... because the pops are among an big range of sound waves it actually cause slight blips in the song and when it didnt it was permeated by the humm, which was my main concern. Do we need to rerecord? of course. This was his first time in a studio, and my mic was locked up in the club, so we had to use some old ass pile from the 70's.

Im not being a dick, just trying to tell you where im coming from and why the filter was left off. and the guitar was not out of tune, if it sounds that way its due to the editing and effects in the chain. The redone version has to done in two weeks and will be, with any luck. sorry if your not impressed with a good song, a good voice, and few effects.. then again im still not seeing your work anywhere.

do i play guitar? nope, sure josh will read this and perhaps that will move him.... or not, since he knows how to tune his guitar.


EDIT: Found your stuff, ok so the recording is smooth, but you call it mean? not at all if anything your voice is better suited for Everclear covers.. especialy with that synthics you got in it. and if i may say not to good....i thought maybe you at least would blow my mind.... but alas i am dissapointed, but thanks for the comments and suggestions for josh.

Wow, a ton of excuses and then you manage to drag two lonely tracking sessions I did and rip on those.

Wow, you are all the lamest things about new posters here wrapped up in one.

You are on my ASS list.

[D-ragonS5]

me on your ass list? wow you did not post any constructive critisism in your first post, you only attempted to after I called you out and defended the recording as a rough, rushed, first version. Your exact words were 'Yikes, not a good song' ........... 'Maybe someone better could pull it off' so your the ass here.. and your on my list. I gather from what songs you've liked and the ones you've ripped on that your more of a heavy guy, and thats cool, the problem is that you dont have the voice for it. Theres nothing wrong with that and I did not rip on you at all, merely said your voice talent (which I admitted was ok) was better suited for a different style than you were trying. IF you dont like it then go hire a voice coach and change your vocal tones to be more "mean" in your own words.

[jake-owa]

First off I have no problem with my voice. You pulled that out of context, I was talking about helping out on a tune. You are a complete moron, you assume all and ask little like most fools.
I do acoustic stuff too, I am working on a 6 song EP at the moment. I am into heavy stuff (also in the middle of tracking a 12 song LP) but I know good songwriting when I hear it...but that's all opinion. A hell of a lot of lame stuff sells so I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't completely lying about your stats. I gave my opinion on the song performance. Saying that someone may be able to pull it off was suggesting that the song itself may not be as bad with a good performer doing it.

I thought this thread was about your tune here? You come up with a million reasons why nothing I say matters and go on to pull stuff that I have not posetd here for comment and comment on it.

Why don't you wait till I post something for evaluation to critique me? You just look like a sensitive ass dong things this way. Typical...

You have no recording skills that are evident from that tune you posted, and still you find it totally needed to present my flaws to the board? You are fragile...you should be trying harder but you choose attack rather than actual learning.

S'ok, you go on girlfriend.

[noisedude]

Well ... I don't like the song ... and obviously the recording's weak, at best. I'm starting nice - rip on me and we get to have Cloneboy/Asslad fun all over again

[Rokket]

Why post something for critiques if it's not ready? That's the biggest problem I see on here. I didn't listen to the song because you told me that it's rough, unfinished... why waste my time?

If you want an honest critique, then give us an honest effort. Don't post something that is half-done and then come back with a bunch of excuses when people start pointing out the problems...

[noodles2k5]

I find it funny how you come here asking for comments, but you quickly dismiss all criticism and get all defensive about it.

Focus groups are a joke. Those numbers don't mean anything.

I've got nothing impressive to show, but that Whiskey in Bed song is weak. The guitar sounds out of tune and the lyrics are very redneck-esque. But since you were just in charge of mixing/editing, it sounds really rough and unprofessional. I think of cardboard when I hear this song.

[jake-owa]

Originally Posted by D-ragonS5

.... because the pops are among an big range of sound waves it actually cause slight blips in the song and when it didnt it was permeated by the humm,....

Is this English???

Originally Posted by D-ragonS5

your voice is better suited for Everclear covers.. especialy with that synthics you got in it.

Again is this English? What the hell is "synthics"?

Ok, this moron will probably never show his face here again but I sure hope he does. His "studio" (computer) is in severe question here and this "josh" who supposedly knows how to tune his guitar won't probably be coming back for session two after he hears the great promo this duface gussied up for him.

[D-ragonS5]

actually the promo was heard by tootsies orchid lounge in Nashville and at various venues in the growing dallas megapolis. I can see why you guys dont like a catchy song, you would rather waste valuable time making stuff that no one would ever buy. I have a record of helping artist who were on the brink getting over the edge and hope to finish my marketing degree and move on to REM and A&R, I will remember not to help any of you along the way.

Focus groups are a waste of time? name your favorite movie or signed band...yep focus groups create the direction that the artist goes in. if a movie sucks according to a focus group it wont hit theatres period. I guess thats why all of you are stuck in the "home recording" genre.

My studio that you like to rip on is such because I own a business and do designs from here, as well as go through my sets and practice on my turntables. I never claimed it to be a wonder of the recording world, or even a decent studio. The acoustics suck and I have random things laying all over.

Again like I said I had no choice, the artist was going to houston the next day to see his friends, Mickey and the Motorcars, and they wanted a rough copy to show their label that is why what was done was done. The mic was old and not working great, it gave a humm along the recording...making it horrible to listen to. The "apparent" shift in a perfectly tuned guitar and the recording comes about because of the editing that took place to eliminate the humm. Industry insiders understand and have called it a million dollar song, and just hope that they look better helping this young artist along the way, but you choose to treat it like dirt and enjoy your not so catchy but well recorded crap.. crap is crap no matter what recording factors affect it.

Jake stop trying cause its not working, you say one thing then change to another. I never claimed to be a producer or an expert, again I posted here for constructive critisim but all have failed to provide any.... I dont like it is not constructive, and your first post was nowhere as nice as that. I am a club dj and as much ass you few who hate the song have held together and agreed I disagree, then again I have heard everything you gave props to and thought it all trash, and thats cool that you like trash.. but its not my style. I have major...and I mean major artist who I would prefer not bringing into this wayward discussion that agree with me, along with the legendary mike menter. Then again I doubt you even know who mike is so this discussion ends on your own ignorance.

statements like this "Nope, that guitar is tuned almost in tune and played kinda rough.

Yikes, not a great song.

maybe someone else could pull it off a heck of a lot better."

do not scream out. "Im trying to help" they instead say "Im an asshole being a dick, but examine my response. I merely defended the artist and the song and again dugg for a critique of the recording itself... but never got it. This is not the way to 'help' anyone. No matter if I am a noob to your board or not I am NO noob to the music world, having recorded in the famous studio B when I was 17 and forgoing a contract to enter college and work on my degree instead.

Do you really think im taking the time to go through and make sure every word is spelled correct? nope, and I dont care much since you seem to be neanderthals anyway. And I didnt make a million excuses, I agreed that he plays the guitar too rough which is why he is working with a director right now, in fact my last few days I have spent till 6amish with him and the director listening to all his songs and seeing what happens. The only excuse I made is the mic, which is true and if I had no conscience I would upload the recording itself with zero editing so you could hear the humm im talking about.

When I responded I took all responsiblity for what you hear because of my need to edit the track to rid it of the hum, and my lack of 'Ray Gun' software. I admitted to this being a line in recording, and that Josh should not be attacked, however, you continue to attack him when he has yet to even come to this site... that is weak.

The song is weak? how is the track weak, you have no experiance critiquing things do you? you need to explain your answer just like a short essay question in college I need to see everything your thinking, if not then you fail. So far all any of you have proved is that your pissed because I uploaded a raw recording and asked for opinions.... that being said you all fail the class...see you next semester.

[13th_Omen]

D-ragon..

You have to understand, some people will flat out tell it like that think it is, Jake being one of them. This is not a bad thing. There is some merit to his comments, while I think "Yikes, not a great song... maybe someone else could pull it off a heck of a lot better." is a little out of line. The recording is very dry and doesn't sound like much work was put into at all. As you said, "Of course the recording isnt gonna be great its a line into the pc". No offense but this hardly constitutes a "studio". I suggest a good audio interface and good pre-amps. So it was done with a singel stero input?

As far as the song goes, I like it. I have a soft spot for this style of music because my dad's best friend who kinda taught me how to play guitar was into a style similar.. you know.. the rugged voice, ballad-type songs. Now don't get me wrong, it's not my favorite music to listen to, but kinda reminds me of Joe Cocker type stuff. The bottom line is, if you are gonna post here be ready for some slander, some compliments, some advice, and criticism.. after all this is what you want right? Take stride man, if you enjoy doing it do it! Good luck to you and Josh!

[noisedude]

Ok, well the thing is that people like Chris Harris and others have recorded clean, quiet tracks with genuine 'tone' in them with their Soundblasters. So let's not blame it on the weatherman just yet.

Semi-decent gain-staging and about a second and a half spent on microphone placement will produce a better result than this. Most people are in their bedrooms or basements here ... that's kinda the point ... so being in a cluttered room doesn't sound like much of an excuse either.

In fact, I'm going to model how this should all be done for you over the next week or two. I'm going to record some music, take some stick and try to find out how to do it better. We start with making my voice come out ok, and we start ..... soon.

actually the promo was heard by tootsies orchid lounge in Nashville and at various venues in the growing dallas megapolis. I can see why you guys dont like a catchy song, you would rather waste valuable time making stuff that no one would ever buy. I have a record of helping artist who were on the brink getting over the edge and hope to finish my marketing degree and move on to REM and A&R, I will remember not to help any of you along the way.

Focus groups are a waste of time? name your favorite movie or signed band...yep focus groups create the direction that the artist goes in. if a movie sucks according to a focus group it wont hit theatres period. I guess thats why all of you are stuck in the "home recording" genre.

My studio that you like to rip on is such because I own a business and do designs from here, as well as go through my sets and practice on my turntables. I never claimed it to be a wonder of the recording world, or even a decent studio. The acoustics suck and I have random things laying all over.

Again like I said I had no choice, the artist was going to houston the next day to see his friends, Mickey and the Motorcars, and they wanted a rough copy to show their label that is why what was done was done. The mic was old and not working great, it gave a humm along the recording...making it horrible to listen to. The "apparent" shift in a perfectly tuned guitar and the recording comes about because of the editing that took place to eliminate the humm. Industry insiders understand and have called it a million dollar song, and just hope that they look better helping this young artist along the way, but you choose to treat it like dirt and enjoy your not so catchy but well recorded crap.. crap is crap no matter what recording factors affect it.

Jake stop trying cause its not working, you say one thing then change to another. I never claimed to be a producer or an expert, again I posted here for constructive critisim but all have failed to provide any.... I dont like it is not constructive, and your first post was nowhere as nice as that. I am a club dj and as much ass you few who hate the song have held together and agreed I disagree, then again I have heard everything you gave props to and thought it all trash, and thats cool that you like trash.. but its not my style. I have major...and I mean major artist who I would prefer not bringing into this wayward discussion that agree with me, along with the legendary mike menter. Then again I doubt you even know who mike is so this discussion ends on your own ignorance.

statements like this "Nope, that guitar is tuned almost in tune and played kinda rough.

Yikes, not a great song.

maybe someone else could pull it off a heck of a lot better."

do not scream out. "Im trying to help" they instead say "Im an asshole being a dick, but examine my response. I merely defended the artist and the song and again dugg for a critique of the recording itself... but never got it. This is not the way to 'help' anyone. No matter if I am a noob to your board or not I am NO noob to the music world, having recorded in the famous studio B when I was 17 and forgoing a contract to enter college and work on my degree instead.

Do you really think im taking the time to go through and make sure every word is spelled correct? nope, and I dont care much since you seem to be neanderthals anyway. And I didnt make a million excuses, I agreed that he plays the guitar too rough which is why he is working with a director right now, in fact my last few days I have spent till 6amish with him and the director listening to all his songs and seeing what happens. The only excuse I made is the mic, which is true and if I had no conscience I would upload the recording itself with zero editing so you could hear the humm im talking about.

When I responded I took all responsiblity for what you hear because of my need to edit the track to rid it of the hum, and my lack of 'Ray Gun' software. I admitted to this being a line in recording, and that Josh should not be attacked, however, you continue to attack him when he has yet to even come to this site... that is weak.

The song is weak? how is the track weak, you have no experiance critiquing things do you? you need to explain your answer just like a short essay question in college I need to see everything your thinking, if not then you fail. So far all any of you have proved is that your pissed because I uploaded a raw recording and asked for opinions.... that being said you all fail the class...see you next semester.

I'm sorry, you seem to have mistaken me for someone who can read.

[Rokket]

Originally Posted by Rokket

Why post something for critiques if it's not ready? That's the biggest problem I see on here. I didn't listen to the song because you told me that it's rough, unfinished... why waste my time?

If you want an honest critique, then give us an honest effort. Don't post something that is half-done and then come back with a bunch of excuses when people start pointing out the problems...

I stand by what I said. I don't like your attitude. I never listened to your song because you came off like a self-righteous prick. You have pissed me off to the point that I have to come in here and say this. I am known for being soft spoken and won't say a bad word to anyone.
But you need a swift kick in the head if you think for one moment that all of us are neanderthals just because we don't like your recording.

It was lacking. It was not ready to be seen.

Your posting it here and then going off on people you don't know from anything is totally unprofessional. Your spouting off your credentials on the internet is lame. PROVE it. You can't. You need to shut up and go away.

You've done your friend a disservice more than any of us have by posting this lackluster polished turd. Learn how to track and mix. Then come back. There are "home recorders" on this site that can mix you into a corner. We don't need or want people like you on this site.

[noisedude]

Well, well, well. I didn't know you had it in you, Eddie. Good on you. Try not to become too much like Jake though! (I'll say this again, he's really nice in real life ... it's like Little House on the Prairie, the whole family gather around the webcam and talks to me ... I got to see Derbi's toy lamb last night ..... cute!!)

[Rokket]

Originally Posted by noisedude

Well, well, well. I didn't know you had it in you, Eddie. Good on you. Try not to become too much like Jake though! (I'll say this again, he's really nice in real life ... it's like Little House on the Prairie, the whole family gather around the webcam and talks to me ... I got to see Derbi's toy lamb last night ..... cute!!)

I've said enough. I won't be back in this thread. He's going to have the honor of the first person I ever put on my ignore list.

Like he cares.

[noisedude]

Mate, you got other situations right now. The fun, it's all about the fun. Don't be here if it ain't fun. Take a break and wait for things to chill a little at home.

[D-ragonS5]

ok need I remind you this was spur of the moment.

As far as the song goes, I like it. I have a soft spot for this style of music because my dad's best friend who kinda taught me how to play guitar was into a style similar.. you know.. the rugged voice, ballad-type songs. Now don't get me wrong, it's not my favorite music to listen to, but kinda reminds me of Joe Cocker type stuff. The bottom line is, if you are gonna post here be ready for some slander, some compliments, some advice, and criticism.. after all this is what you want right? Take stride man, if you enjoy doing it do it! Good luck to you and Josh!

Thanks for the kind words, and the constructive critisim. I did post here for just that, but untill now got nothing. I had contemplated for a long time turning the empty room in my place into a studio and didnt realize that it could be so easy. I know I need pre-amps, etc.. stuff that I have at the club and at my boys place across town and just wandered how it could benefit from your experiance here. And you admitted that the second response I received [first by jake] was no where near an attempt to help.

about a second and a half spent on microphone placement

that is a good critisim.... finally, however remember the microphone was fuckered up and hummming hardcore.

I stand by what I said. I don't like your attitude. I never listened to your song because you came off like a self-righteous prick.

what? I tried to get all the name-calling pointed to me, not to the song or to josh. Yet the fuckstick kept going after him, and didnt even give any construtive critisism to work on. Go ahead come in here under a different name and get that reply to a post and see how you feel when some fucker comes out like that.

Your posting it here and then going off on people you don't know from anything is totally unprofessional. Your spouting off your credentials on the internet is lame. PROVE it. You can't.

Actually I can prove it. I recieve music for free from Sony, Universal (Vivendi), Strange, and Arista all they want to know is what I think about the albums or singles before their released. Also I was named the Hottest DJ in the KC area (WB KC-2003) before I went on a year break. I also dj at MAJOR clubs when I travel, and I did a gig for Akon n Styles P. down in Naussau over christmas break. I just deleted the list of artist that I've meet and talked to personally..not on a fan-artist base but on a dj-artist base, because even if I list it you'll tell me im faking it so theres no point. Like I said im not basing anything on that... never claimed to be good at recording stuff, he just needed something to take with him and it was done in a few hours.

We don't need or want people like you on this site.

Sorry I didnt realize this was your exclusive little club? No offense but the day your able to own a site that can get as popular as this you let me know.. Ill sign up just so you can ban me and feel special.

[jake-owa]

You are a total fool whatever-your-stupid-name-is.

Look, you didn't even know what a pop filter was...it was obvious. You say you removed it from your 70s mic but you are talking bout a windscreen. Advice was there, trying to find it's way into your fragile little mind but you are way too smart to try picking up on it aren't you? You could be here learning to use your "studio" but you prefer to hack away at the toes of the giants around you.

There is a ton of help for you here if you know how to harness it. I am not always in a mood to help. Hearing this song the first time made me cringe, I am not subtle. Sorry and fuck you. I have done and said enough here, your song sucks, your recording sucks and your attidude makes both look rosey in comparison.

You won't answer my questions but you post a page of self stroking bullshit that you claim I need to answer to?? WHAT THE FUCK ARE SYNTHICS??
You are a born fool, go on being that way.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about and apperantly you would like to remain that way. That's all fine by me.

[noisedude]

Originally Posted by D-ragonS5

never claimed to be good at recording stuff, he just needed something to take with him and it was done in a few hours.

Sorry to pull you up on a typo dude, but just there when you meant to say 'minutes', you accidentally typed 'hours'.

You did mean minutes, didn't you?