A nice vocal effect.

[six]

I recently listend to motley crues "wild side" (maybe someone knows the song) once again... and I got very attentive (is that the word?) to some kind of "near/far-vocal-effect": most of the lead-vocals sound like a bit away from the listener (like the rest of the track). but then there's that whispered "take a ride on the..." which sounds like whispered directly in your ear.

Now how can I do that? Is it just about reverb?

I don't even get my vocals to sound far away :-), so if anyone knows how to do this - I'd be really thankful.

[Ears]

Not sure of the song but......
To get distance, use a delay line and only play back the delayed signal not the dry one. As a result, just like in real life, the vocal will be delayed a short time but enough to sound far away.Easiest way in to go into the delay out of the delay to board. input. Start with about 1 millisecond

[MrLip]

I was thinking reverb for the far away sound. Or, standing farther away from the mic, or adding some delay.

For the 'in your ear' sound: dry, with the singer up close to the mic.

I'm no expert though.

[Ears]

Good question. I thought that was obvious. Maybe Six doesn't know what it is. ( Verb I mean). I haven't heard the song.

[This message has been edited by Ears (edited 06-18-2000).]

[six]

thank you all for your replies.

of course I first thought of reverb too. but adding reverb just made my vocals sound like sung in a bigger room but still 2 inches away from your face.

using a delayed signal sounded very logical to me but I'm still not where I want to be: using this technique didn't change anything until I started to exaggerate - now the singer's timing seemed to be very bad :-)... and he didn't get any further than 2 inches.

I think the delayed track should be delayed to a "reference-track" - let's say the drums or guitars. but I guess this is quite difficult with vocal tracks because you don't hear anything until it starts to sound wrong.

[Ears]

You should'nt hear the difference. It is psychological. An effect. I guess I'm misunderstanding your request. I'll see if I can get a copy of the song before I return.

[loudnaybor]

From what I can remember of that song, I believe they use a reverse reverb on the line "take a ride on the" and the "wild side" is left up front.

[Ears]

Ok I listened.

The vocals are sang with a slap back echo. What that is is a short delay about 20 to 50 milliseconds and the voice is doubled or tripled, either electronically or in real time. Then when he says ......take a ride........all the effect is killed, probably a dub in later, and the voice naturally comes to the front. That's all, no rocket science here.

[This message has been edited by Ears (edited 06-19-2000).]

[six]

wow EARS... that's what I call a good job :-)
thank you!
doubling electronically means (more or less) just adding another VERY short delay? or how would you do it?

[This message has been edited by six (edited 06-21-2000).]

[CharlesThomas]

>I believe they use a reverse reverb

That was what I was going to bring up. There's definitely reverse reverb on the line "Wild Side" with some 400ms or so echo for afterward.

I'm not sure how one does reverse reverb when one isn't using reel-to-reel. Before we'd just flip the reel over and lay the verb onto a separate track when playing the tape backward.

I'm pretty sure it won't work if I just try sticking the hard drive into my D-160 backwards!

CT

[Ears]

I see.
I thought six meant near/ far to the mic. The wild side, yeah brings in the reverse reverb. However there is wet and dry going on too.