ns10 monitors?

[Glen Samuel]

Have a couple of questions for anyone with the knowledge and time to get back.
1)I was thinking about getting alesis monitor ones but have since been leaning towards ns10's does anyone have any opinion on this the purpose is for mixing on a pc based multitrack.
2)What's the differnce between ns10ms and ns10mc?
3) does anyone know how many ohms ns10's run at, I have an amp that puts out 100wx2 at 8 ohms apparantly this is not advisable to run with monitor ones (rated at 4 ohms), so if I could get a decent monitor I could save a considerable amount of cash,( both in the amplifier and in marriage councelling down the road.
thank you in advance, Glen

[Sonny Collie]

Listen to some NS-10s. Then listen to some Tannoy PBM 6.5s. You'll buy the PBMs.

I don't care who mixed what on them, NS-10s are dead, wet dogs.

What is the purpose of reference speakers? It is to reference your own work against some other record whose sound you want to get close to. So, theoretically, you could play your example cuts on ANY pair of speaks, and then get your own work to sound similar on those same speakers.

But NS-10s are dull dull dull. Why not hear a wider frequency spectrum for this A/B-ing? PBM 6.5s sound great. With a subwoofer they sound awesome. The price is right and jillions of recordists can't be wrong.

IMHO, you can't go wrong eschewing NS-10s.

[Sonny Collie]

Listen to some NS-10s. Then listen to some Tannoy PBM 6.5s. You'll buy the PBMs.

I don't care who mixed what on them, NS-10s are dead, wet dogs.

What is the purpose of reference speakers? It is to reference your own work against some other record whose sound you want to get close to. So, theoretically, you could play your example cuts on ANY pair of speaks, and then get your own work to sound similar on those same speakers.

But NS-10s are dull dull dull. Why not hear a wider frequency spectrum for this A/B-ing? PBM 6.5s sound great. With a subwoofer they sound awesome. The price is right and jillions of recordists can't be wrong.

IMHO, you can't go wrong eschewing NS-10s.

[BigKahuna]

I wouldn't buy NS10 monitors. Sure, they are in a lot of pro studios ... but that doesn't necessarily mean they sound great.
This may sound weird, but I think NS10's are in a lot of studios only because they are in a lot of studios ... if that makes any sense.
They provide a standard reference that most engineers are accustomed to. Most studios use NS10's only as a secondary reference .. most of the mixing happens on better monitors.
The argument that NS10s are better because everyone uses them, doesn't quite cut it. It's all about what sounds good to you and what you can work with. Can you get a good mix out of NS10s? Absolutely! ... if you know how to compensate for their shortcomings. But that's true with any monitor.
I, personally, like to hear as much of the frequency spectrum as possible when mixing and leave as little to the imagination as possible. I would hate it if all I had were NS10 monitors. I would probably last a week before I got something else. I'd keep the NS10s ... but only as a secondary reference.

If this will be the only monitors you use ... I'd say get the Monitor Ones over the NS10's.

BTW ... Sonny's right ... if you A/B'ed NS10s against Tannoy PBM 6.5 ... you'll choose the Tannoys ... no doubt.

As far as ohms ... I think the NS10s go at 4 ohm ... not exactly sure though.

I use Event 20/20p powered monitors. That way I didn't have to mess with a separate power amp. I'm impressed with these monitors. There are, of course, non-powered versions available ... all operate in 4 ohm, though.
It may be tough to find near-field monitors that run in 8 ohms.

Anyway, hope I helped.



[This message has been edited by BigKahuna (edited 11-08-1999).]

[dobro]

What's the significance of the 4-ohm/8-ohm difference? I've got an Alesis catalogue, and the amp they sell is 4-ohm. Do most stereo system amps operate at 8 ohms? Can you run 4-ohm monitors on an 8-ohm amp without reducing the speakers to confetti? Did you ever see "Dick Tracy", the movie? I often feel like the bad guy delivering a line near the end as he's making off with Breathless Mahoney as a hostage: "So many questions, so few answers."

[CyanJaguar]

the ns10ms monitors actually operate at 8 ohms.

[Track Rat]

The impedence of a speaker will very accross the spectrum. What is 8 ohms at 1 k might be 4 ohms at 50 hz.

[jmorris]

For me, I think you have to learn to mix with whatever type of monitor you choose. I looked at the ns10's but bought tannoy reveals. I liked the sound better. The ns10's sounded dead I agree,but I believe you need to educate yourself to what ever speakers you have. I do mixes, then pop the tape into my car, home stereo,boombox,piece of crap ,cheese ball stereo system just to learn to compare what my ears are hearing on the reveals in relation to all else.
Another thought is if the ns10's sound bad,then if you can achive a real good mix on them,that mix may sound great on all other speakers. Hope this makes sense. Jim

[Edited by jmorris on 09-08-2000 at 17:10]

[Skyline609]

i dont think any studio would use the ns10s as their main monitors. I think the reason why most studios have them is for "shit reference". That is once the song is mixed on the really good monitors, they play it through the ns10s and if it sounds good on those poopswipes, then its ready to go.

[pglewis]

Oh, man, did you open a can 'o worms, Skyline. Don't thrash 'im too hard, Shakes.

[John Sayers]

the NS10s became popular because everthing around at the time (70's) was shit - speakers have come a long way since then.

Now ya'll knew I would have to say something.

Its all what you like, I happen to like the Yamaha's. I have learned how to get the mix I want out of them and know that when I get the music to sound good on those bad boys it will sound good on just about everything. But for those who dont like them or are new to recording ya know there are a ton of monitors out there have at it.

Shakes,

Have you hugged your JoeMeek today

[bvaleria]

Shakes...

You said the KEY PHRASE "...I have learned how to get the mix I want out of them..." This is true for ANY monitor you buy... trouble is, some monitors aren't worth the trouble it takes to get to learn them before your ears give out!!! (like the NS-10s)

But if you learn 'em, you can use 'em... personally my main nearfields are Events.... but that's just me!

Bruce Valeriani
Blue Bear Sound

Thank you for saying exactly what I just said ;-) That was my whole point.

[bvaleria]

Originally posted by ShakesTheClown
Thank you for saying exactly what I just said ;-) That was my whole point.

You're welcome!

Just drivin' the point home..........

Bruce