drum sample mp3 - what needs to be done ??????????

[alecmcmahon]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/alecmcmahonmusic.htm

click on drum sample test.

im new at doing drums and need some advice to make this better ( looking for big rock type sound )


drum mics-

kick - shure beta 52a
snare - shure sm57
overheads - mxl 603's
rack toms - shure sm57
floor tom - cad 22 (dynamic )

[DTBlalock]

Originally Posted by alecmcmahon

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/alecmcmahonmusic.htm

click on drum sample test.

im new at doing drums and need some advice to make this better ( looking for big rock type sound )


drum mics-

kick - shure beta 52a
snare - shure sm57
overheads - mxl 603's
rack toms - shure sm57
floor tom - cad 22 (dynamic )

Hm, I'm not very expierienced with this, but to me the bass drum sounds to soft. Not volume wise, but to "jazzy soft." Maybe a wood or nylon beater would help. yeah, thats just in my opinion.

[fldrummer]

How do you have the kick tuned / miked / EQ'd? Toms seem to have alot of ringing. Maybe get them more intune with them selves or dampen the batter.

[Bulls Hit]

I'd like to hear more kick beater attack, a bit more crispness & crack from the snare, and your cymbals are too loud in relation to the rest of the kit

[alecmcmahon]

Originally Posted by Bulls Hit

I'd like to hear more kick beater attack, a bit more crispness & crack from the snare, and your cymbals are too loud in relation to the rest of the kit

roger that.

[Bdrum]

The wash on the cymbals drifts in and out .
I'm not sure if thats my soundcard or not.
The Bass is totally lost though.
Nice Beat...good groove!

[alecmcmahon]

did another recording , hope i improved a little bit..

hows this sound ???

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/alecmcmahonmusic.htm

song is titled " ANOTHER MIX TEST "

hows that?

[tubedude]

NOt being an ass, but do you know how to tune drums? I mean REALLY tune them, where the batter heads arent out of phase with the resonant heads and all that good stuff? If not, go print out the drum tuning bible and read read read and learn learn learn.
Do you know how to position the mics? Specifically the overheads? The recorderman method works well, but those 603's are very wide cardioid so keep that in mind.
Also, you can really clean up the kit by putting gates on all the tom tracks so that you dont have those mics open when they arent in use.
A solid beater will get more attack on a kick though. Some people tape a quarter to the bass head where the beater hits to get more snap.
Peace
Paul

[alecmcmahon]

Originally Posted by tubedude

NOt being an ass, but do you know how to tune drums? I mean REALLY tune them, where the batter heads arent out of phase with the resonant heads and all that good stuff? If not, go print out the drum tuning bible and read read read and learn learn learn.
Do you know how to position the mics? Specifically the overheads? The recorderman method works well, but those 603's are very wide cardioid so keep that in mind.
Also, you can really clean up the kit by putting gates on all the tom tracks so that you dont have those mics open when they arent in use.
A solid beater will get more attack on a kick though. Some people tape a quarter to the bass head where the beater hits to get more snap.
Peace
Paul

did you listen to the first clip or second clip ???

the 2nd clip i had a drummer friend come by and tune the drums to the best he could....

and if you mind telling me whats wrong with the overhead postioning in the 2nd clip ?

[Cloneboy Studio]

Keep in mind this is brutal, yet constructive criticism:

Cymbals sound slightly phasey and cheap. Kick drum is pretty wimpy. Snare drum almost sounds like the kick because of its lack of definition. Stereo sides don't feel properly balanced. Toms are lifeless and weak.

I've heard worse, but this isn't any good.

The other thing that is killing this is the drummer is no good. Bad timing, bad sense of tempo, no groove, no feel, inconsistent attack--generally an undisciplined performance.

So my point is: it doesn't matter WHAT the drums sound like if this drummer is going to be playing because it will always sound bad. Steve Albini or Mutt Lange couldn't make this guy sound good.

In general, a lot of the 'noobs' that are recording themselves need to learn how to play their instrument competently first and THEN learn to record themselves.

[Cloneboy Studio]

Not to be a jerk but I have to say it.

I listened to some of your other clips and you definately need to stop recording yourself until you acquire some playing skills worth recording.

[alecmcmahon]

Originally Posted by Cloneboy Studio

Keep in mind this is brutal, yet constructive criticism:

Cymbals sound slightly phasey and cheap. Kick drum is pretty wimpy. Snare drum almost sounds like the kick because of its lack of definition. Stereo sides don't feel properly balanced. Toms are lifeless and weak.

I've heard worse, but this isn't any good.

The other thing that is killing this is the drummer is no good. Bad timing, bad sense of tempo, no groove, no feel, inconsistent attack--generally an undisciplined performance.

So my point is: it doesn't matter WHAT the drums sound like if this drummer is going to be playing because it will always sound bad. Steve Albini or Mutt Lange couldn't make this guy sound good.

In general, a lot of the 'noobs' that are recording themselves need to learn how to play their instrument competently first and THEN learn to record themselves.

again, gotta ask, the first or 2nd clip? 2-ANOTHER MIX TEST, or 1-DRUM SAMPLE CLIP ?

i appretiate your honesty clone boy, and i do agree with you, but musicians are hard to come by , good ones at least.

[alecmcmahon]

Originally Posted by Cloneboy Studio

Not to be a jerk but I have to say it.

I listened to some of your other clips and you definately need to stop recording yourself until you acquire some playing skills worth recording.

uhhh ok, ... just to let you know i am not the drummer, i play bass. Only 2 out of the 6 songs on there are by me...


the others are of some chick i know playing her acoustic guitar and singing.... her playing skills really have no reflection on my own, but if you'd like to think- have fun.

[Cloneboy Studio]

Recording rule of thumb: don't record hack musicians unless they are paying you.

I guarantee there are good bands out there that will let you record them for free while you get your recording chops down. Nothing is worse than recording bad players when you are first starting out because you may think that the reason it sounds bad is YOU and not the person playing. Doesn't help the old AE self-esteem while attempting to build skill.

Plus you will spend hours and hours tweaking things to try to make bad performances sound good and then you'll find out that it is almost impossible.

You will, however, develop the all-important skills of turd polishing very necessary in today's talentless music industry.