newbie in need of serious help

[mad flows]

Hey everybody

I need some help here, i want to hook an anolog console probally a mackie 24.8 into a hardisk/multitrack recorder and then into a computer for software editng. i have no idea how to go about this can some one please help me.

Also what is buss for mixers. and what is an a/d converter, what does it do and do i need one

Thank you...

[Cloneboy Studio]

I know this is the noob section but JESUS people....

I'm thinking that you are being way to ambitious for your knowledge level. How about cracking a book before graduating to the 24 channel and wave editing platform.

I mean, can you even record competently? You don't know what a converter or a buss is?

Crack some books. Buy your stuff six months from now after you get a clue.

[mad flows]

Originally Posted by Cloneboy Studio

I know this is the noob section but JESUS people....

I'm thinking that you are being way to ambitious for your knowledge level. How about cracking a book before graduating to the 24 channel and wave editing platform.

I mean, can you even record competently? You don't know what a converter or a buss is?

Crack some books. Buy your stuff six months from now after you get a clue.

Look i asked a simple qusestion, not for a lecture. I knew the question would probally be stupid to sombody like you. but I asked so i could find out not to be told some other stuff that imo has nothing to do with what i wanted to know. excuse me for thinking this forum was to help people just starting out.
and also everytime i post something and you answer you never do answer the question you just throw some rude comments out. and i hope you don't think that what you posted was help, because if you did you have some serious problems!

[Cloneboy Studio]

Dude, I gave you the BEST ADVICE because reading is *free*. It is obvious that you have yet to get a clue; and let me tell you--not having a clue in this endeavor is BS.

But go ahead and be a mook and drop a few thousand on a real recording setup that fifty bucks says you couldn't even hook up. Here you go, chump:

Alesis HD24XR - $2000
Soundcraft Ghost 24 - $5000
3.4 GHZ PC with 2 gigs ram - $1500
Benchmark 8 channel AD converters - $4500
2 Focusrite ISA 428 preamps - $3400
Steinberg Nuendo - $1500
UAD-1 Studio - $900
Waves Diamond - $2850
17" Viewsonic Flat Screen - $600

And you're probably doing hip hop/rap right? So you better throw in at least an MPC 2000 sampler for another $1500ish, and a copy of Recycle for $150 bucks and at the Arturia Modular Moog and Native Instruments Pro-52 which both will set you back about another $300.

Don't forget your microphones. At the very least a Shure SM7 at $400 a pop, or if you're really dope/funky/fresh and fly a Blue Blueberry for about $1000 bucks.

Of course, having all this gear doesn't guarantee you'll do crap with it because you don't even know what -10/+4 means, unity gain or probably how to loop a sample.

Guess what? You gotta be a little boy before you can play with the big boys, you playa' hata'.

[mad flows]

yet again that still didn't answer my question. and watch who you callin a chump, cause computer talk don't mean shit, see me in the streets punk!
on the hood!

[mshilarious]

Originally Posted by mad flows

Look i asked a simple qusestion, not for a lecture. I knew the question would probally be stupid to sombody like you. but I asked so i could find out not to be told some other stuff that imo has nothing to do with what i wanted to know. excuse me for thinking this forum was to help people just starting out.
and also everytime i post something and you answer you never do answer the question you just throw some rude comments out. and i hope you don't think that what you posted was help, because if you did you have some serious problems!

I'm a bit with Cloneboy, but what the hell? Here goes:

A bus is a mix. If you have a 24 channel 8 bus mixer, you can assign each of the 24 inputs to one or some or all of the 8 busses, which are then routed to various physical outputs of the mixer. If you like, a bus is a internal mix of the mixer.

If you have a 24 track HDR, typically you would route the 8 busses into 8 inputs of the recorder. The recorder can assign those 8 inputs to various track banks (1-8, 9-16, 17-24), so you can sequentially record all 24 tracks, 8 at a time, without rerouting any cables. Another way to do it is to use direct outs from your 24 input channels direct to the recorder, which lets you record more than 8 tracks at once, but requires repatching cables to change things around. Or you can do a combination; say have inputs 1-8 on the recorder from the 8 bus outputs, and the other 16 from direct channel outs.

A converter changes the audio signal from analog to digital (and back). If you are using an analog mixer, you will be using the converters on the recorder. If you have a digital mixer, it has its own converters, so you can simply connect to the recorder using digital connections, which are commonly optical cables.

When you are finished with tracking, you can transfer to PC a number of ways; some recorders have Ethernet connections, or can burn data CDs for transfer, or you can transfer via digital outputs if your soundcard supports that. Then you can finish up with the PC--or you can just do edits & effects, etc., on PC, and do the final mixing on your mixer; however, in that case you will need a soundcard with enough outputs to support that, OR you can transfer back to your HDR using whatever methods possible, then use the outputs from the HDR back to your mixer back to the PC with the stereo mixdown, then burn a master CD.

How's that?

[mad flows]

Thanx lot for the answer that clears up alot.

[Bulls Hit]

You don't actually need a HD recorder. You can go straight from the mixer to the pc via a multi input soundcard.

You need to consider how many tracks to record simultaneously. A good starting setup for an 8-track studio would be

Yamaha MG12/4 mixer $200
M Audio Delta 1010LT $220
Cakewalk Home Studo XL $120, or Guitar Tracks Pro $150

Obviously you'll also need a pc, a bunch of mic & cables

[mad flows]

Thank you very much, that helped alot. i'm hopfuly about to get some dough so i'll be buying a computer for music. I was looking on sweetwaters website and under computers they have some custom ones just for music that's not too expensive. I was wondering do you know can you add a soundcard to them. and are they even worth the money. Thanx again

[tedluk]

Cloneboy gets a little carried away sometimes! Seriously man, maybe you just shouldn't come into the Newbies forum because it always seems to upset you!

He has a point though. I got flamed a bit yesterday for responding negatively to someone who was unwilling to spend a little of THEIR time to learn before asking me to spend some of MINE answering often asked questions.

Truthfully, you can get started with a simple setup like BullsHit described, but you really should spend some time learning the basics before you invest your money. This can, and, if you get into it, will likely, be a very expensive undertaking. There's a lot to learn and it keeps changing constantly.

I got out of music a number of years ago for a while and it took me a long time to get a handle on the technology we now have at our disposal. It was overwhleming at first and I seriously wondered if I was up to learning it. And I would not call myself an expert by any stretch!

There is a wealth of free information at your fingertips (literally), before you plunk down a few thou, learn the basics. Google things like "recording chain" "audio mixer basics", "digital audio basics", etc. Read the information on the site in front of this forum. Check out prorec.com which will not make any sense at first, but is full of information or try HERE. Check out the links pages for tons of other sites.

If you're not willing and EXCITED to learn everything you can, then you're probably wasting your time and money.

Good luck!

Ted

[Bulls Hit]

Originally Posted by mad flows

Thank you very much, that helped alot. i'm hopfuly about to get some dough so i'll be buying a computer for music. I was looking on sweetwaters website and under computers they have some custom ones just for music that's not too expensive. I was wondering do you know can you add a soundcard to them. and are they even worth the money. Thanx again

I'm not familiar with those, but a lot of pre-built 'DAW' type computers tend to be expensive for what you get.
If you know what you want, you can order the components online from newegg, places like that & they can often assemble them for you as well.

The heart of a good music pc is the motherboard. I've had good experiences with Asus mobos, and they have the added benefit of being easily overclocked.

My current setup is
Asus P4P800 mobo
P4 2.8c hyperthreading cpu
1gig Hynix D43 PC3200 ram
2 x 120GB Seagate Barracuda HDs
400W power supply
17" lcd monitor

You might prefer an amd based system but if you get something similar to that setup, you won't go too far wrong

[Cloneboy Studio]

Originally Posted by mad flows

yet again that still didn't answer my question. and watch who you callin a chump, cause computer talk don't mean shit, see me in the streets punk!
on the hood!

You're 15 years old... I'd run you over in my car. You can't even drive, chump.

[mad flows]

Originally Posted by Cloneboy Studio

You're 15 years old... I'd run you over in my car. You can't even drive, chump.

Me at 6'5 250 i'd like to see yo punk ass try, bitch! Oh Since you wanna talk about cars, just cause i don't have a license don't mean i don't drive, I'll spray yo ass you little 2'11 hoe as bitch.

[Cloneboy Studio]

Originally Posted by mad flows

I'll spray yo ass you little 2'11 hoe as bitch.

That sounds pretty homo man... Jesus cries when you do that stuff.

[Farview]

It has been my experience that doing rap doesn't take as much equipment as other types of music. you could easily get away with only 2 inputs (at least to start). Just a computer running sonar and a couple of mic pres. Add 1 or2 mics and some keyboards and software synths and you are in business. The big reason for having a board and a closet full of mics is so that you can record a drumset with 20 mics on it or an entire band all at once.

Starting out smaller tends to sharpen your skill a lot faster than getting the whole thing at once. Once you learn how to get great sounds from nothing, then you move on to better (and more) equipment.

If you start out small and find a way to make money at this, you can use the profits to buy the stuff you need. If you blow your load now, in 3 years most of what you bought will be obsolete or broken.

[mad flows]

Originally Posted by Cloneboy Studio

That sounds pretty homo man... Jesus cries when you do that stuff.

I guess you would know alot about homo's you being one and all. i guess you try to repent.

[Cloneboy Studio]

I wanna hear these whack.... errr dope beats that bring the hotness in the foshizzle nizzle whizzle like Mad Beats says he has.

[sypher deus]

i gotta go with studying up. last year i was contemplating dropping alot of loot to build a studio with hardware. i had it all lined up to get a boss br-10 cd, alesis keyboard, mpc-2000, hella shit! then i did some reading. got a few books. "the complete idiots guide to home recording" by clayton walnum
and "practical recording techniques" by bruce and jenny bartlett and a few others that i cant recall cause they are on loan to some friends. after reading and learning i decided to just use my comp. with reason 2.5 recycle 2.1 and recording software(cubasis vst watered down edition) that came with a tascam controller us-224. oxygen 8 midi controller. i then scooped an audio technica 3035 condenser mic. and event monitors. after all the cables and accesories i think i've dropped a bit over 2k and i think i've got a pretty decent starter set-up. theres not much you can't do with a bit of imagination. and i'm making hip hop. but my advice is to read up as much as you can before investing alot of money.

[Slaphappy]

Dude asks a question and gets abused?.... Weak!
Why not just offer your advise to read-up without the "Dry alcoholic" rant?

I had a question but I'll take it where there are less hot-shots

Peace.

[Cloneboy Studio]

Originally Posted by Slaphappy

Dude asks a question and gets abused?.... Weak!
Why not just offer your advise to read-up without the "Dry alcoholic" rant?

I had a question but I'll take it where there are less hot-shots

Peace.

Uninformed person fails to realize that I answered a number of this guy's questions but he gets an attitude when they aren't what he wanted to hear.

[manning1]

flows. bulls hit makes good suggestions re the yamaha mg etc
in his post. just add a cad gxl LDC mic for 50 bucks.
you wont do better unless you spend huge money.
eg: a shure sm7.
and youll record good tracks if you have the audio engineering down.
or if you want something upmarket , though i dont think you need it imho
look at the cad mic into a rane ms1b preamp.
just demo the yamaha mg versus the rane and see which you prefer.
much as i like rane pre's. i could still do great tracks with a mg mixer. plus you get more channels.
with an amd athlon computer you can do 60 tracks easy. though i nver do more than 24. 32 if i'm in a overproducing mood.

[Slaphappy]

Originally Posted by Cloneboy Studio

Uninformed person fails to realize that I answered a number of this guy's questions but he gets an attitude when they aren't what he wanted to hear.

I'm gonna go learn as much as I can about home recording so I can come to this newbie board and call people "uniformed"


What a dic.

[Han]

It amazes me to see a newbie ask a simple question and gets a blunt response.

Talking about attitude!

[johntheson]

Cloneboy,
He asked you a question; nothing more,nothing less. Although you are light years ahead of him in the recording gig; instead of telling him he's a chump; just post: I REFUSE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. Or better yet; don't respond at all. There are no rules here, to my knowledge that state; in order to participate here; you must answer every question that is asked. Instead you respond because it makes you feel bigger but leveling someone else who knows less. Yes; Anyone who wants to learn to be good at something; needs to read up on it to expand their knowledge or even familiarize themselves with what they are endeavoring to do; but this is a forum. A place where people come to answer questions. Qustions that even seem stupid to world reknown engineer/producers such as yourself. I'm an MCSE. I frequent many forums where people have done foolish things to screw their computers up. I too, get frustrated with answering the same questions many times over but; I have one of 3 choices when I read their posts. I can say to myself; what an idiot, or I can even reply to their question by calling them an idiot who doesn't deserve an answer, and then bask in the glory of my certifications on the wall, or I can remember the time when I didn't know an ASI bus from a PCI bus, and try to give them the help he/she needs. I choose the latter. Now if it so pleases you to call me a chump or a punk for telling you what you needed to hear, then have at it. I always look up to those who can act tough behind their monitor. You obviously have quite a lot to offer though. Why don't you do so constructively? The most stupid question of all, is the one not asked till time was wasted, and damage was done.
John Sr.

[Cloneboy Studio]

When more experienced people take the time to answer a noobs question they shouldn't get uppity. After all, they are asking US for the answer. I gave him the answer--maybe not in the best of ways but admittedly I was flabbergasted that someone would want *that* large of a system but didn't know what they were doing.

I guess it's their money... if they want to waste it, it shouldn't be any of my business.