snare too "notey"

[dr.colossus]

my snare is way too "notey" when recorded... is there any tuning ideas that can make it sound more "thwack" and less "boing".... 14" by 5" mahogany shell, with coated ambassador top... seems like a silly question i know! just trying to emulate the seventies style marching drum/ cheap drum machine type sound... sorry i'm no more articulate or flowing in my writting, but i'm late for work, besides you know what i'm on about right?!!!!

thanks guys

[Ronan]

No problem, go to your local drum store and buy a set of "O" rings. They actually have a range of thicknesses. They will do exactly what you are looking for.

[noiseportrait]

Tune the resonant (bottom) head lower in pitch and loosen up the snares a bit. If that doesn't work then try some dampening. Metal shell snare drums tend to have more thwack and less of the "notey" quality that I think you're talking about, but they also tend to ring more than wooden snares, which can be it's own problem.

[dr.colossus]

Originally Posted by Ronan

No problem, go to your local drum store and buy a set of "O" rings. They actually have a range of thicknesses. They will do exactly what you are looking for.

hmmm i really really hate those things... never had luck getting a good sound or playing with any feel when those things are choking the life out of my snare.....

[tmix]

Dr C,
Those remo rings dont work very good in my opinion, you can actually hear the fluttering sound as they settle after a hit. I say go pick up a package of Moongels. They work perfectly. I use several wood snares and the moongels can make them sound anywhere from wide open toa cardboard box, depending on how many you stick to the head.

Check them out!

Tom

[Farview]

Try an Aquarian texture coated studio-x or an Evans genaera hd dry. If you go with the evans, line the vent holes up with the lugs to get a less ringy sound. Also try touning the bottom head pretty high and the top head low.
jason
www.farviewrecording.com

[Be Loveless]

Put yer wallet on the head or a small steel plate (maybe a pound or less), whichever is more handy. It takes about 5 seconds to try it. WHY NOT!

[MadAudio]

T-Mix,
Cool - I hadn't heard of Moongels before. They seem like they'd be perfect to use on my melodic toms instead of the zero rings I have on there now. I just ordered some.

[Be Loveless]

You did'nt put your wallet on it did you? Do it man big leather wallet...come on !!!!!!!!!!

[The Seifer]

take a shit right on the top head!! you never know it might work!!

[dr.colossus]

no i haven't tried the wallet thing..... yet... besides my wallet isn't thick or heavy..... music store guy suggested taping a box of matches to the head... i also bought a 42 strand snare haven't tried it et but i think it may help

[Butch-1]

Hey, the wallet thing Works !!!

[ecktronic]

Anyone heard the rock band the Deftones before? Its just that their albums are soooo well produced in my opinion and especially the drums. and in particular the snare.
The snare sound is really powerfull and cuts through the mix brilliantly. It doesnt have much of the actuall snare sound, almost as if the snare is off, but it aint! If anyone has heard the deftones and knows how to get that snare sound, even roughly then it would be greatfully apreciated if you could reply.
Cheers.

[rweiss]

Pfft! Heard of them? ...What disrespect.

Deftones are one of my favorite bands, and I agree that Abe Cunningham's sound/style is quite superb. I think his sound comes from more of snare type rather than mixing style. He sounds like he uses a deeper shell, with both tight bottom and top heads (bottom a bit less than the top). It also sounds like he dampens the top head, and has less "snares" on his snares that the average snare (Heh). Keep in mind that I'm not sure about this, just a general observation from my experience with drum dynamics. Many factors could attribute to his sound; these are just my opinions.

For mics, I'm pretty sure he uses both a top and bottom mic, and I think they're both SM57's, though the top might be an MD421. If you look in the cd jacket for "Around the Fur", they have a small picture of his drum set all mic'd up, if you want to check out the positioning.

Hope this provides some insight...

[onesidered]

Abe used an OC kit for Adrenaline & Around the Fur. He then switched over to Tama Bell Brass for White Pony, and I am not sure what he used on Self Title.

My OC kit was being made @ the same time his baby blue one was. It was rad going into the back and seeing all the drums. My kit was sitting in between Abe's kit and Tommy Lee's black vented snare on the racks.

Totally Cool.

[dr.colossus]

dropped the tuning on the bottom head and put the 42 strand snare on it did the trick nicely... i highly recomend adding a 42 to your collection of periferals, cheap as chips and a nice new colour for the palate