Can a singer actually be "too loud"?

[karambos2]

A singer says she has a very loud voice & thinks this will cause problems when she comes to record in my studio.

I have a Nuemann TLM 103, an AKG Solidtube, a Sennheiser 421, a Shure SM57 and a kick drum/Tuba/bass mic

Does anyone reading this think it really could be a problem?

[Adzzz]

yep a big problem...

[c7sus]

Just put her in one room and the mic in another.

That'll be $200 please.

[DJL]

Originally Posted by karambos2

A singer says she has a very loud voice & thinks this will cause problems when she comes to record in my studio.

I have a Nuemann TLM 103, an AKG Solidtube, a Sennheiser 421, a Shure SM57 and a kick drum/Tuba/bass mic

Does anyone reading this think it really could be a problem?

If she thinks it's going to be a problem, then most likely there will be a problem. I'm not sure what the problem will be, but if she thinks there will be a problem and if you can't talk her into believeing there won't be a problem before you start the session or don't know yourself... you can just about bet there will be some kind of a problem.

ADDED: "Does anyone reading this think it really could be a problem?" It wouldn't be a problem for me... but just your asking such a question leads me to believe it could be a problem for you.

[noisedude]

That's crazy logic but probably true. Explain to her that it won't be ... and have an inline pad on one side just in case there is !

[Innovations]

If you are thinking that she will exceed the maximum SPL of those mics I think she is groundless.

More likely she has had problems with other recordings because of inexperience or bad mic technique.

Some singers just get more enthusiastic when performing than when doing a level check. Some only know how to add drama by adding decibels and to add subtlety by removing them.

I would also use a pop filter. Even if she doesn't need it for the pops you can use it to help keep her mic positioning steady, since she can't get any closer to the mic than the pop filter! It really works. I have recorded high school singers who were all over the place as they moved while singing. I put the pop filter there and on the next take it was like their mouth was nailed to it.

[BlindCowboy]

If I was to guess what to expect from her statement:

She's gonna sing loud, then whisper, then louder, then whisper, then scream, then humm a little diddy. All in the first chorus.

[c7sus]

You might wanna rent a nice limiter, just in case.

That'll be another $200 please.

And none of those funny-money Euros, either. Just send good old greenbacks!

[the sneak]

given the choice between a euro and american dollars i would take the euro!

[noisedude]

Me too. But we're stuck with the pound. God bless the Queen ... who also advises the judicious use of pop filter and compressor to tame this beast.

Can I have $200, too?

[c7sus]

I don't wanna have to bother with exchange rates.

[Lance135]

I agree with the pop filter idea to stabilize the singer's position. I find myself hypnotized by my pop filter and I don't move while singing. Maybe I shouldn't have bought from the "Hypnotic Pop Filter Company".

[karambos2]

what' an inline pad?

[c7sus]

Something like this. Just be sure it's compatable with your mics.

http://www.broadcastrepair.com/sales...p?partno=A15AS

[c7sus]

Check out these other cool adapters.

http://www.broadcastrepair.com/sales...0%28Special%29

Kinda spendy but any one of them would be handy to have.

[karambos2]

Thankyou c7sus (great handle). You've definately earned your 200 quid. To whom shall I make it payable?

[Richard Monroe]

There are no singers so loud that a Solid Tube can't handle it. There are only gain staging schemes that are wrong. Have faith, and just put it up with a good pop filter. I doubt Janis Joplin could even bother the thing. Solid Tube *loves* loud singers.-Richie

[Harvey Gerst]

Originally Posted by Richard Monroe

There are no singers so loud that a Solid Tube can't handle it. -Richie

You've obviously never worked with Linda Ronstadt.

[Son of Mixerman]

Originally Posted by karambos2

A singer says she has a very loud voice & thinks this will cause problems when she comes to record in my studio.

I have a Nuemann TLM 103, an AKG Solidtube, a Sennheiser 421, a Shure SM57 and a kick drum/Tuba/bass mic

Does anyone reading this think it really could be a problem?

Not a problem. Whats does your mic chain look like? Pre, compressor etc....mixer?


SoMm

[chessparov]

Darn Harvey you stole my thunder! (Linda Ronstadt)

Or for more affordable damage, you could have "mi mi mi" sing through one of your condensers close up. Let alone my old singing coach (dramatic baritone)
where it seems the earth shakes when he sings with Wagnerian intensity.

Read that Sennheiser tested the 421 on recording tank fire (!) and it passed with flying colors BTW. So that one and the '57 should be fine.
Just have a good parametric EQ handy to help smooth things out as needed
during mixing, like a DBX 242 or Speck.

Chris

[Big Kenny]

set her up with two mics, one close (421 probably) one 18" - 24" away(solid tube or 103). pop filter on both and you will get a good sound (tell her the condenser is "just in case" and she should sing to the senn.) record both with a little compression on the way in

[karambos2]

My mic chain looks like this: Neumann TLM 103 -> straight into Behringer 16 track desk -> into Audiowerk 2.

I know, I know..... Behringer desk...(sharp intake of breath whilst frowning and gently shaking head). That's why I might go for a decent pre-amp. I've been recommended the Channel 1 from SPL (see here for sound on sound review: http://www.soundperformancelab.com/C...n0Sound_D.html) it has a digital out and seems to be a good one.

Anyone used an SPL channel 1 on the "frontline"?

[c7sus]

Was that tank fire close-mic'd or did they use it as a room mic?

Since you can't point the mic directly down the barrel (for hopefully obvious reasons), I can only assume they had to depend on off-axis placement.

[noisedude]

M-Audio Tampa is on great prices right now - £200 here when it used to be more like £500. Has Digital Out as well. DMP-3 is a good one for the money. New Joemeek threeQ looks interesting for sure!

[tubesrawsom]

the farther the mics are from the source the more roomy it sounds, wouldnt it sound just a bit better to bring the mics about 10" closer and put a 10 or 20 db pad on the mic tht way she'll sound more preasent