i need help connecting some midi instruments to pc

[L'espion Noir]

i didnt want to get indicted for cross-posting but i need some help please check out my thread at the midi forum

http://homerecording.com/bbs/showthr...hreadid=115945

[stray411]

How you liking the RS?

I'm not really understanding your set up. Why are you going into the Tascam? I can't see how it comes into play.

If possible, I would suggest not using 2 sequencers simultaneously. If you only use the RS for drums and FX and prefer to play on the Triton anyway, why not just make the Triton your master and have it sequence the RS?

I can't see your set up working properly without a MIDI thru or merge box. You have too many outs and not enough ins. But maybe I'm not understanding you right.

[L'espion Noir]

the RS is lovely i'm still learning it

the tascam is my soundcard i need the pc to edit in cubase and sometimes i record directly to pc

If possible, I would suggest not using 2 sequencers simultaneously. If you only use the RS for drums and FX and prefer to play on the Triton anyway, why not just make the Triton your master and have it sequence the RS?

how do i get the triton to sequence the RS maybe that's what i need
i only wanted the RS as the master becuase of MPC set up i've seen but my thing is i want to use the drum tracks i made on the RS and complete the beat on the triton by adding other sounds so it doesn't really matter who's controlling who if at all possible

[stray411]

I'm assuming you play the drum parts on the MPD not the pads of the RS? If that's the case, then set it up like this:

for the Triton as sequencer:

MPD OUT to TRITON IN
TRITON OUT to RS7000 IN

for the RS7000 as sequencer:

MPD OUT to RS7000 IN
RS7000 OUT to TRITON IN

The 2nd one is kind of how you have it now (minus the Tascam). That didn't work for you?

And I'm still not understanding you on Cubase. Are you recording MIDI or AUDIO with it? If it's MIDI, what are you doing with it?

[Flo' Dolo]

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djfd

[L'espion Noir]

I’ve never been a BARS kind of MC
Maybe y’all can suggest your procedure
But this is how I use cubase in my setup

I sequence a beat on the triton usually about 4-8-12 measures
I record the beat (8 measures) in cubase for about 6 to 7 minutes via midi - just let it loop
Then I record the vocals on cubase via audio
Then I edit the beat around the vocals by taken out measures and notes where I don’t want them sometimes I’ll add some notes

So until I do a mixdown I need Midi connection to hear what I’m doing
so i need both the rs and triton to speak to cubase so they can tell me what cubase is saying while im choping up the beat over there

thanks

[LAZI]

Personally i'd use the RS7000 as the main sequencer beacause of the 2 outs and I perfer YAMAHA's sequencers. I'm willing to bet that the program change lay out is way better to use in the RS7000.

I'd probaby do it like this.

1- Buy a midi merge box... Like 4 ins to 1 out...
2- Run the MPD, TRITON, and TASCAM outs to the merge box to the RS... That way they all become controllers and the TASCAM clock can got in.
3- RS7000 out A to the TRITON... Use the TRITON thru to run that midi out to the TASCAM midi in... RS out B to the TASCAM...
4- Figure out what the hell is doing what...

If the RS7000 sequencer is like the RM1X it is the best sequencer to use for your setup cause that thing got some nice midi tricks. Plus any channel can be configured to any midi on the TRITON. The Program change data and knobs are will probably be much easier to setup on the RS than on the TRITON. You can use the TRITON and MPD to do you keys and drums hits and that way you save the RS7000 pads for programming mutes and data entry.

Sounds like a dope setup to me.... Zip drive between RS7000 and the TRITON to save and swap wave files. Yup... Sounds dope...

Good luck on that.... Peace....

[L'espion Noir]

is there a way to do this without the merger box , my soundcard has 4 midi port

easy

[L'espion Noir]

lazi in your setup i see the rmx1 the AKAI a Synth and a laptop can some or all of them communitcate

[LAZI]

In some form or fashion I can get all them to communicate. I use 4 different midi boxes though... 3 in X 8 outs, 2 in merge to 2 outs, 1 in X 4 outs, and a 5 input to 1 outut switch. So with all those and the right in to out routing I have managed to get everything where it can respond to the controller or clock I need. Still need to rethink it some and also add some damn labels.

But that TASCAM should be able to be used as a type of midi patchbay. Does it come with some type of driver setup program or does it mostly depend on the software you use??? I would guess that your computer would have to be on to reroute the midi signals but it probably act as a thru (in 1 to out 1 and so on) when the computer is turned off. I don't know how this could work to your advantage but it's something to think on.

[L'espion Noir]

But that TASCAM should be able to be used as a type of midi patchbay. Does it come with some type of driver setup program or does it mostly depend on the software you use??? I would guess that your computer would have to be on to reroute the midi signals but it probably act as a thru (in 1 to out 1 and so on) when the computer is turned off. I don't know how this could work to your advantage but it's something to think on.

the tascam works as a standalone without the pc on
it also has routing capabilities, i can get midi in 1 to go to midi out 2 and so forth

do you have beats made on separate machine like say the drum on the Rmx and the melody on the synth then play them together with their respective sound

i ask this question to FD is it possible to compose a beat on 2 sequencers?

[LAZI]

I've done the 1 beat with 2 sequencers thing a few times and it just turned out to be a bunch of trouble. Like with the MPC and RM1X they have a slightly different timing which threw the whole track off. Then loading 2 machine for each sequence was just a pain. MPC was on a zip and Rm1x was on a floppy... Then you gotta sync one master and one slave... Too much... So what I do now is either or... MPC as a standalone or as the sequencer or RM1X as sequencer. I leave everything else setup to be a sounds source so both units can be used to sequence sounds from anything else in the studio but they never run side by side any more.

But yuh... I'd most def use that TASCAM as the midi patchbay then.

And like I was saying... Using the RS7000 as your main sequencer is just seeming to me like your best bet. I've presonally found 16 tracks to be all I need and with the tricks that the RS has in it you can beef up a track like it ain't shit. MPD and TRTION keys and arps as controller.... I'd probably set thing up so the RS7000 would be tracks 1-8 for drums and percussive type samples (maybe 9 for bass), tracks 9(10)-12(14) for TRITON sounds, and 13(15)-16 for anything else off the RS you could throw in like vocal sampes or whatever.

[L'espion Noir]

FD helped me hooked up everything
There it goes

The mpd midi out to tascam midi 1 in
Tascam midi 1 out to RS midi in
RS midi A out to triton midi in
Triton midi out to tascam midi 2 in

That way I have the RS controlling the triton
And the mpd bangs out sounds from the RS and the triton of the connected channel
And the triton is set to external

And like I was saying... Using the RS7000 as your main sequencer is just seeming to me like your best bet. I've presonally found 16 tracks to be all I need and with the tricks that the RS has in it you can beef up a track like it ain't shit. MPD and TRTION keys and arps as controller.... I'd probably set thing up so the RS7000 would be tracks 1-8 for drums and percussive type samples (maybe 9 for bass), tracks 9(10)-12(14) for TRITON sounds, and 13(15)-16 for anything else off the RS you could throw in like vocal sampels or whatever.

how do you setup the RS to be on track 1-8 for drums and percussive type samples
and the triton on the other tracks

[LAZI]

I have no idea how to qith the RS and TRITON but on my RM1X there is a screen that shows all 16 tracks and their midi assigment. This screen allows you to set each track for internal (RS) or external (midi outs) use with the RS's sequencer. You would just set up the first 8 tracks for use with the RS internal sounds and the last 8 tracks as external for the TRITON. But like I said that's how my RM1X works so it might be different somehow with the RS.

[L'espion Noir]

i think i know what you talking about

i'm not in front of it but in the setup or utility page i think i can setup a page not to send or receive midi from an external device
ima check an confirm

thanks lazi

Easy

[L'espion Noir]

yo lazi i found out the tascam can merge midi data from different sources
do you think the 4 ports on the tascam are enough the reason i ask is because you have 3 times the amount of ports for your instruments

Guidance

[Flo' Dolo]

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djfd

[L'espion Noir]

lazi the page i was referring to controls midi data sent and or received by the RS but not on an individual track basis, but i think FD has an idea how to separate the midi functions on both sequencers. at least i hope he does