Saluda Cymbals...

geet73 · #1 03-10-2004

How are these? They're so cheap on Ebay that I'm tempted to buy them.

Drummer4Life05 · #2 03-10-2004

Go for it!
I don't own any myself, but I plan to sometime soon. Anything I've heard about them were good, so I don't see why not!

4-Man Takedown · #3 03-11-2004

I bought one a while back when they were claiming they were the greatest cymbals, it sounded like crud. Now they claim that the model I bought was never that good and that the new models are the greatest.

I swear for years they also claim to have sound samples soon on their webpage, but it never happened. I don't understand why this is so difficult.

I have also heard a lot of good things about them, but just make sure you try out the new models. I would only try the Mist series, stay away from SS, SH, or stuff like that.

I personally will stay away, sabian still makes great cymbals for decently cheap.

Whyte Ice · #4 03-11-2004

I bought one of these (ride) and I wouldn't say they are horrible. They are okay for the price but you'd definitely be pleased with something else.

geet73 · #5 03-12-2004

4-man.. I do own professional cymbals..

I'm just looking for a cheap alternative. Heh.

cyclone2005 · #6 11-23-2005

The Mist series is excellent... we stock them and we use them... mist series is hand crafted, hand hammered, hand finished b20 bronze. a very sweet recording cymbal that we can customize in any finish you like, and match to your playing style.. heavy, light, dark, rock, jazz, fat groove, etc. http://www.cyclonepercussion.com

eraos · #7 11-23-2005

I have two saluda splashes. They're cheap, yes, but they don't compare to my Sabian AA splash, even if it has a crack in it.
The metal is pretty hard and so the sound is a little tinny.

But that's only the extent of my knowledge on saluda.

4-man, they did have a clip at one time. A solo using Saluda cymbals by someone named Shawn Beamer, if I remember correctly. I have it on my computer somewhere, I believe.

cyclone2005 · #8 11-23-2005

http://www.cyclonepercussion.com/pages/6/index.htm...
soundfiles

Yareek · #9 11-23-2005

I recently made the switch from Zildjian's to Saludas, and I'm more than impressed. Their customer service is WAY WAY WAY beyond what you need or expect (I've personally exchanged about 200 e-mails with the company, and they respond within a few hours, even on nights and weekends). All the cymbals I've received are much more musical than the Zildjian's I was playing before, although I haven't received my ride and hihats yet. The crashes are phenomenal and the china is really quick and trashy. And loud.

What I would do is e-mail Jamie at ufsports(at)hotmail(dot)com. Tell him exactly what kind of sound you are looking for and he will either find or make a cymbal to suit you. If it's not what you're looking for, he'll exchange it for something else until you're happy. I've even seen him exchange broken cymbals before, and he will give you a good amount of money for your current cymbals if you have any you aren't using (I got about $125 for a Zildjian Z crash and a CRACKED A crash).

Oh, and tell him Jarick sent you

Here's some sound clips of the 18" Mist Brilliant Medium crash, 20" Mist Brilliant Medium crash/ride, and 20" Voodoo Brilliant china. The other cymbals are a pair of 14" Sabian AA Regular hats and a 20" Sabian AA Heavy ride.

http://www.myspace.com/sleepsinashes

Yareek · #10 11-23-2005

By the way, feel free to e-mail Jamie before you purchase from Cyclone. I'm sure that both of them can you help you pick out some cymbals. I looked at Cyclone's prices, and they are pretty similar to Saludas prices, so you would probably be able to get the same product a little quicker (Saluda just moved into a new .

Anyways, e-mail them both and try 'em out!

BTW, if you want to try a cheap Saluda before you buy one of the nicer Mists, try one of the Voodoo or Pure Chinese (they renamed them) chinas in a 16" or 18" size. They're quick, trashy, and dark. If you get the traditional finish, it will have a little more sizzle.

xfinsterx · #11 11-26-2005

Saludas mist's remind me quite a bit of Sabian B8's.

I dont like the B8's

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Theyre tinny, and piercing to my ears.

cyclone2005 · #12 11-26-2005

Thanks Yareek... The Mists are extraordinary, in price, appearance, sound... And the custom finishes, sound style matching, Very sweet deal. We are offering the brilliant sparkle finish option at no charge through the holidays.. Thanks for the sound files, and support

PRICES SLASHED and FREE SHIPPING ON ALL CYMBALS and Drumsets THROUGH DEC 25 http://www.cyclonepercussion.com

ausrock · #13 11-28-2005

There were a heap of Saluda clips linked here.......... http://forum.drumshed.org/showthread.php?t=7273 .......I haven't listened to them myself but I presume Dave still has them available.

Cyclone,

I'm surprised the HR "spam nazis" haven't jumped on you for your self promotion

......oddly enough, it is something that is tolerated at places like Ghostnote and Drumshed, etc., but has always been clearly against the site rules on most recording forums.

cyclone2005 · #14 11-28-2005

Aussie... The thread asked about the cymbals, I happen to play and record with them and the fact that im a dealer had little bearing. I have responded to other threads with opinions...not gear slinging . Aren't all responses on a thread by a forum member a self promotion?....

sorry if i offended anyone..

ausrock · #15 11-28-2005

Didn't offend me, twas just an observation, however, I'm sure you understood I was referring to the promotion of your commercial interests in Saludas rather than as I said "self" promotion.

firby · #16 11-29-2005

They are cheap crap. You would be better off getting used zildgian a's for a better price and playing on those. As for the dork who is sitting here pawning them, you are a smuck and you have lost my respect.

Cymbals are all about the alloys used to make them. You can probably get by with a cheap china because many chinas incorporate a cheap trashy sound. Anything else stay away. It's better to have a few good cymbals than loads of crap like saludas. As for trading Zilds for Saludas. That is absolutely positively laughible.

I will buy a handful of saluda cymbals in two years when they are selling from the bargain bin and drill holes in them and put rivets in them. Because that is what you do with a piece of shit cymbal like that.

Yareek · #17 11-29-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by firby

Cymbals are all about the alloys used to make them. You can probably get by with a cheap china because many chinas incorporate a cheap trashy sound. Anything else stay away. It's better to have a few good cymbals than loads of crap like saludas. As for trading Zilds for Saludas. That is absolutely positively laughible.

Firby,

Saludas are made with the same B20 alloy as all the major manufacturers. If, by your own admission, "cymbals are all about the alloys used to make them,"
then Saludas are equal in every respect to every other professional cast cymbal.

For those of us living in reality, cymbals are about FAR more than just alloys. I'd say the biggest component of the sound is how they're made, not the alloy. When you have cymbals made from rolled sheet bronze, they are going to be really stiff and generally have a "gongy" tone. Their molecules are aligned poorly, resulting in a weaker structure and inhibiting vibration. The cymbal ends up vibrating within itself as opposed to in unison, reducing volume.

Furthermore, cast cymbals can be machined or hand hammered. While both sides have their advantages and disadvantages, hand hammered cymbals tend to sound more complex (some may see this as trashy, but most people see it as a balanced frequency response). They typically have much more dynamics and potential for volume because, again, the molecules of the cymbal are pushed in a different way from random hammering rather than stamped in patterns. Hand hammered cymbals are also tuned by ear rather than formed by look, and thus can be very different from cymbal to cymbal. Some see this as a downside (no two cymbals are alike), others see it as unique. It also provides a chance for the manufacturer to shape the tone of the cymbal.

Finally, bell, weight, profile, lathing, thickness, and finish all come into play.

So what about the alloy? B20 is the standard for sure. Paiste actually uses "inferior" alloys in their products (B8, B12, etc.) to alter the tone. Are they inferior cymbals? Hell no! They're great cymbals, although their sound isn't for everyone. Personally, I find them a bit one-dimensional and bright for my tastes, but for others they are perfect.

Long story short, try the Saludas or not, I don't care, but don't disparage a product when you don't know what you're talking about.

ausrock · #18 11-30-2005

I seem to recall that Saluda once said they source their alloy "pies" from what is commonly known as Wuhan which is actually the name of the place where that range of cymbals are made, so it is likely that the "raw product" comes from Hubei Machinery and Equipment who are probably the largest percussion manufacturer in China.

firby · #19 11-30-2005

If they are made of chinese alloy that is another reason not to use them. Chinese cymbals are generally cheap. Their sound is cheap. Nothing wrong with that but it ain't no zild K or istanbul.

As for the alloys being the same. I think that what you are telling me is just some marketing bullshit and I am calling you on it. Go sell your wares somewhere else. These people are trying to get VALUE for their money not polished up junk. As for the cymbals they look like they are lathed like shit and everytime I have touched one I have walked away laughing. The fact you twits are so bent on selling them means that you are on the money side of the equation. I have played drums and drumset and percussion for 20 + years and hold a bachelors degree in jazz performance and an associate degree in recording.

But I won't need any laurels to say that your cymbals suck ass. That's why you have to pimp them to people over the internet on ebay. Because once someone hears those cymbals they will make a rational decision and buy cymbals that sound good instead.

What a waste of time, replying to a spam hound like yourself.

Yareek · #20 11-30-2005

Once again, misinformation.

Saluda buys cymbal blanks from a manufactuer in China, but that manufacturer is NOT Wuhan. They DID do a few cymbals from Wuhan several years ago, but it was very short-lived as they weren't happy with the sound.

Seems like we got some DJL wannabes with the all Chinese = crap again.

Of course, after they receive the blanks, they are lathed, hammered, and finished in their factory in America. E-mail Jamie if you really want to clear things up.

Listen to my sound clips down in my signature if you think that my cymbals sound like shit. And do a little research before you start giving me negative rep for correcting your errors.

Yareek · #21 11-30-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by firby

I think that what you are telling me is just some marketing bullshit and I am calling you on it. Go sell your wares somewhere else. These people are trying to get VALUE for their money not polished up junk. As for the cymbals they look like they are lathed like shit and everytime I have touched one I have walked away laughing. The fact you twits are so bent on selling them means that you are on the money side of the equation. I have played drums and drumset and percussion for 20 + years and hold a bachelors degree in jazz performance and an associate degree in recording.

What a waste of time, replying to a spam hound like yourself.

I am not affiliated with the company, I do not sell anything, and I think you're full of it. You're telling me that cymbal alloys are marketing ploys?

So I guess engine sizes are marketing ploys in vehicles?

Seriously, alloys are one variable affecting a cymbal's sound. But a few posts up, you said that alloys are everything in a cymbal, and now they're just a marketing ploy?

Good lord.

ausrock · #22 11-30-2005

Jar......Yareek,

It really isn't misinformation as Wuhan is just a name on cymbals originating from a region in China, the parent company is responsible for numerous brands apart from Wuhan and it is quite possible that they are the source of a lot of the raw pies being used by the like of Saluda. Nothing wrong with that.

A search back through old GN posts would indicate that Jamie has (maybe deliberately) not commented when this subject has been raised in the past, rather prefering to leave it to others to attempt to answer the questions.

firby · #23 12-01-2005

I am saying you are a marketing ploy because I have heard the cymbals and they suck. Please don't try to make people buy stuff that sucks. OK ?

They could buy a beat to hell old zild for half the price of a saluda and have a better cymbal.

There are cheaper cymbals but just use them to effect. Your cymbals are one thing that you can play and use for years. SO. If you arent going to mash them with marching band sticks and terrible technique, if you care about your sound rather than your volume (as I suppose many here do) then get a good cymbal. Get a real cymbal. I don't think that this is so hard.

And yes, the Lord is good.

Whatever. Like I am going to buy a cymbal based on some mp3 you put on the net. *snicker* I am going to go to the place where they are and pick out the best one. Because, I give a shit about my sound.

Everybody but two people here are not giving the saluda thumbs up. I really started commenting on this because it is just so gay to tell people how great they sound and then tell them that you just put them on sale in your 'store'. The way you defend your points lets me know that you have some vested interest in the sale of these pieces of crap. And ya know ? that just doesn't cut it with me. SO crawl back into your hole.

Salude Saluda man. If I were ever to find one of those pieces of crap laying on the roadside for free I would take it home. Then you could come over and 'toss my saluda' you freakin gaylord.

ausrock · #24 12-02-2005

Before anyone responds, I would ask them to consider that what constitutes "good" sound for one person can quite validly constitute "bad" sound for another, consequently, Firby's opinion of Saludas is just as valid as Yareek's and for either to attempt to defend their opinion as being more righteous than the others is just plain stupid.

Cyclone, like it or not, you were spamming.

Yareek, if I were so inclined, which I'm not, I could pull Saluda's marketing spiel and stategies apart without raising a sweat, the point is, there is no point, Saluda are producing a product at a price point and are using a smart marketing strategy which is subliminally convincing people that their product is preferable to the established brands. If someone buys into that and is for a time, happy with their new instruments, then fine, more power to them.

Yareek · #25 12-02-2005

Well, I suppose logic and reasoning aren't going to work.

Ignore everything I said because I apparently know nothing about cymbals or manufacturing.

Alloys are all marketing ploys, as is hand hammering versus machines, lathing versus none, and brilliant versus traditional finishes.

Everything made in China, even if it's just raw material, is absolutely inferior in every way shape and form than anything made anywhere else in the world. That's just plain common sense.

Seriously though, if you want to read about cymbals more than just "Ziljdian is the best," I'd check out either http://forum.drumshed.org/ or http://www.cymbalholic.com/forum/. Granted, there are people who trash Saludas everywhere you go, but at least these people have arguments. You'll also find a lot of people who love the sound of Saludas, as I do.