I did too look in the manual...

[cellardweller]

Honesly I did!

I still can't figure out the "easiest" way of looping any given part. Ya' know, taking one measure of guitar and turning it into 20 measures...

Is it a tedious trial and error process?

Is there info there on drawing fade (?envolopes?) also, and I'm just being selectively perceptive?

If you guys tell me it's there, I'll look again, but feel free to explain this phenomenon if you don't mind.

[Teej]

I've done this a few times, CD. Seems to me, the best way is to enable the grid, trim the part so it's exactly an even measure (or measures), and then copy/paste the parts. N will tack the newly pasted parts to the end of the preceeding part.

Ctrl-C to copy
Shift-Ctrl-V to paste at the end of the existing track
Ctrl-V to paste to a new track


tj

[cellardweller]

Is there any way to 'fine tune' it though? I mean if you cut and paste, but it seems you cut it a bit too short, can you adjust the time parameters? Does the zoom function come into play to allow more exact time slices?

[Teej]

ahhhhhh.. gotcha. Yes, I zoom way in (Up arrow) in order to line them up just right. I always have a click track throughout the song for this reason.

If you're really good with the snap-to-grid thing, that'll help too.


tj

[cellardweller]

Hmm, click track. Another one of those things I figured I'd NEVER use when I was reading the manual...

If you have the time and patience, could you please explain briefly- What's a click track. What's it for? Where do you access it?

Teej, how many people would you estimate there are who own Ntrack, but yet do not record directly into their computers? I've met up with a few over on the Fostex forum, so I figured there must be more using other "stand alone" outboard units. Please round your number to the nearest 10.

[Teej]

Ever worked with a drummer, CD? You know how they click their sticks together to set a tempo for the song? Imagine someone clicking thru the entire song. You would mute that track before final rendering, but it comes in handy during recording and mixing.

I use Fruity Loops to create a click at the appropriate tempo, then i export it to WAV file and import it into N.

Total N users? i have no clue... sorry.


tj

[cellardweller]

I was just kidding Teej!!! LOL

Actually I was making fun of the way I phrased it. It read as if I wanted you to approximate an actual number, when all I was after was "quite a few", or "millions", or "not very many, you wierdo". Something like that.

Would it be easier to round your estimate to the nearest 100?

I have a drum machine so I could just use that, right? Since I already have a drum beat for the song in question, I can use that to the same effect?

[Teej]

AHhhhhh... humor. Yeah, we get that here in Indiana occasionally.


For me, a drum pattern works fine. A single click is handy, tho', to carry you thru the pauses in the drum track.


tj

[woodshedder]

Most people tend to play better, not just staying on time, with a click track.

I like to make my click track a simple bass beat on 1 and a snare on 2 (for 4/4 of course). I think it helps with the groove, if you will.

Woodshedder

[Teej]

Right, Wood. Most takes come out better when played to a beat. Some find a single, quarter note click a bit too sterile. I'm one of those. I prefer to hear the feel of a complete drum track


hear the feel.. uhhhh.. yeah. I'd reword it, but can't for the life of me figure out a better way to say it. Hope that makes sense.

sheesh..

Anyway, there are situations where i prefer to just hear a click. In some songs with opposing rhythms, the drum 'feel' can you throw off. I occasionally write a bass line that's in contrast to the drums. A click is steady and allows you to play your own part with its own distinct feel.

Either way, setting a steady tempo is very important; especially if you're collaborating with others via the Net.


tj