compression and volume envelopes

[lopie]

it seem that compression will negate the effects of volume envelopes (especially on vocals) is there a "right" way to use compression and volume envelopes -do they "mix"

[dachay2tnr]

Compression and volume envelopes essentially do the same thing. Not quite sure why you would be using both.

However, I don't understand what you mean when you say negate the effects. At their root, they both simply lower the volume of something (ignoring makeup gain, or a volume envelope that is set to increase the volume).

[mixsit]

Volume envelopes are just you pushing the faders up and down after the compressor's done it's thing (assuming the comp is post fader like in a track or V-main insert).
Gain Envelopes (same as Trim on the chanel strip) play INTO the comp, so there, Trim could be undone somewhat by the comp.

And of course the comp is adjusting things pretty fast. You could do that with envelopes in zoom mode, but you better stock up on Nodes and dognuts.
You gona be a while.

[lopie]

if you have volume decrease envelopes and then apply compression then the volume gets boosted back up thus compromising the envelope effect - but if i use post gain (whatever that is ) then i escape this issue ?

[mixsit]

There's a graphic flow dighram in the book that shows the order of things. That's the best way to get this. The rest is just clearing up the terminalogy.

"if you have volume decrease envelopes and then =apply= compression..."
Do you mean =insert= a compressor into the track effects bin? Then the volume control (track fader or volume envelope) is after (post) the compressor. No matter what the comp does, the fader still has final control.

"...then the volume gets boosted back up thus compromising the envelope effect.."
Aside that compressors pull gains down, not boost them, it's still no.

" - but if i use post gain (whatever that is ) then i escape this issue ?"
Yes. And the track fader is post gain, compared to where this compressor is.
But there is a second set of controls that are before everything. I called them the Trim knob or 'gain envelopes' (but that might be worng. We need to look this up. They might be called 'clip envelopes') But the compressor would tend to undo change made there.