Something New-Tracking Bass

[JBell]

I just bought a Behringer Composer XL Pro 2600 Compressor and tried it out last night while retracking a bass track. I used the sidechain feature and linked the prerecorded kick track to the return input and then the prerecorded bass track to the main input. The kick will trigger the compression of the bass allowing for it to shine through the bass. I retracked the bass into Logic Platinum and WOW!

I cannot believe the difference it made.

I also inverted the phase of the kick which helped make for even more improvement.

This may not be anything new to some of you but I was amazed given this was a new experience to me. Thought some of you might benefit.

Jeff

[grinder]

I've heard of that being done when the bass players' playing was too busy and not emphasizing the beat enough.

[Gidge]

id like to hear a clip....

[nessbass]

Originally posted by JBell
I also inverted the phase of the kick which helped make for even more improvement.

I can't see how that could've helped? Maybe the phase relationship between the OH and the kick was flawed beforehand, but what does that have to do with the kick/bass relationship?

Any suggestions?

David

[Riccardo]

Originally posted by JBell
The kick will trigger the compression of the bass allowing for it to shine through the bass.

Can you tell me your compression setup for the bass? I'm very interested in this technique...

BYE BYE RIK

[JBell]

My setup was as follows:

Ratio: 2:1
Threshold: -10dB
Attack: 10msec
Release: 100msec

Added make up gain to match the amount of gain reduction, in this case it was about 3.5dB.

So far as the phase issue mentioned above, I added this comment because this added to the punch of the kick. You are correct, there is no phase relationship between the kick and the bass but the phase change added some additional improvement on the kick.

[nessbass]

Originally posted by JBell
Ratio: 2:1
Threshold: -10dB
Attack: 10msec
Release: 100msec

@Riccardo:

JBell was faster, but here are my 2cents nonetheless:

I guess what's important when using this technique is to keep the attack time really short, so that the ducking really happens when the kick hits and that the release time isn't too long either, just long enough to make room, but not as long as to let the ducking become obvious. The settings JBell posted are a good starting point IMO, although I'd tend to keep the attack time even shorter. The threshold setting also depends on the material you're working with.

David

[Riccardo]

Thanks to Jbell And nessbass for explain this trik to me,
now I'm asking if is it possible to replicate this technique in cubase or are external equipments necessary?

BYE BYE RIK

[nessbass]

You just need a compressor plugin with a side-chain function...

David

[Riccardo]

Originally posted by nessbass
You just need a compressor plugin with a side-chain function...

Suggestion??

BYE BYE RIK

[nessbass]

Maybe others know more, but I just found this, it's not free, though.

http://www.db-audioware.com/dbd.htm

[Riccardo]

Originally posted by nessbass
Maybe others know more, but I just found this, it's not free, though.

http://www.db-audioware.com/dbd.htm

Thankyou again the cost don't seem very high if the quality is good ill'try the demo....

BYE BYE RIK