$100000 budget studio thesis :)

[gamebhai]

hey

i gotta do a thesis for my college.
we've been "give" $100000 thats rite 1 lakh and 20x20ft room.
I have to design a music recording and mixdown facility comprising of one recording room and one control room.
I have to design the layout of studio, show how the studio is treatred acoustically and budgeting involved in purchase of equipment.
The project must have a step-by-step description of how the studio wud be setup.

Ofcourse I have to give the price of each and every material used and all shud fit in the budget!

Im at total loss about the acoustic part of the setup. For the equipment I was thinking of a o2r, some good compressor/gates, Tascam ADATs, Normal Tape recorders, some good effect processors, 2 good synths, 2 DAWs with protools and cubase setup, a good neutrik patchbay, a pair of tannoys,hmm watelse...please suggest!

Also help me with reading material on step=by-step studio setup..

I understand about having sound absorbant material with max absorption co-eff., importance of diffusers. But where to get the price range and stuf.

[gamebhai]

one more thing
how much budget shud i set aside for contruction and acoustics?

[subtractor]

What college is it that you attend?
A thesis? Are you going for your masters degree? In what?
You realize you just mispelled "stuff", among other things, right?
That seems sort of ironic to me.

[kristian]

http://homerecording.com/bbs/search....der=descending that link should probably put you in line with a few good ideas.

[Blue Bear Sound]

Hmmm.... something fishy here -- you've got too many grammatical errors to be in college -- as well, what kind of thesis involves such a sketchy premise????

You sure you're just not trying to get someone to do your high-school homework for you????

[SHEPPARDB.]

Hey Zeke,good to have you back buddy!

[SPINSTERWUN]

gamebhai....

CROSS-POSTING is frowned upon at this site. Most of the members here at HR.COM view all of the forums (or at least most of the forums).

This will get you started. You'll have to remove a few items.

Qty / Item / Description / Price / Ext Price

A PRO TOOLS

1 Power Mac G5 Dual 2GHZ 512MB ram $2,999.00 $2,999.00
1 1GIG Ram DDR upgrade $250.00 $250.00
2 Apple 23" Cinema HD Display $1,999.00 $3,998.00
1 Argosy 90-PC32-RRG console $3,190.00 $3,190.00
1 Digidesign Control console $11,995.00 $11,995.00
5 Digidesign Fader Pack $6,495.00 $32,475.00
1 Digidesign Pro Tools HD3 System $10,495.00 $10,495.00
4 Digidesign 192 I/O interfaces $3,400.00 $13,600.00
1 Digidesign SCSI 64 w SCSI $545.00 $545.00
1 Pro Tools 13 Slot Expansion Chassis $1,800.00 $1,800.00
1 Digidesign Digidrive 36GB 10K RPM $990.00 $990.00
1 Digidesign digidrive 72GB 10K RPM $1,450.00 $1,450.00
1 Digidrive Rackmount Kit $93.00 $93.00
1 192 AD Card $1,295.00 $1,295.00
1 192 DA Card $1,195.00 $1,195.00
1 192 digital card $995.00 $995.00
1 Digidesign Midi I/O $550.00 $550.00
1 Digidesign Sync I/O $1,850.00 $1,850.00
1 Digidesign Pre $2,200.00 $2,200.00
1 Waves Plat TDM bundle $3,200.00 $3,200.00
1 Antares Autotune TDM $475.00 $475.00
1 Massive Pack Plug in Bundle $1,195.00 $1,195.00
2 Control Digi snake kit $599.00 $1,198.00
7 Digisnake DB25 to TRS $90.00 $630.00

Subtotal A $98,663.00


B MONITORING

2 Genelec 1032A sing 10" 2-way monitors $2,200.00 $4,400.00
2 Genelec 1039A dual 15" 3-way monitors $6,710.00 $13,420.00
1 Genelec 7073A quad 15" subwoofer $5,974.00 $5,974.00
5 Mackie HR-824 sing 8" 2-way monitors $565.00 $2,825.00
2 Yamaha NS10 sing 5.25" 2-way monitors $150.00 $300.00
1 Hafler P1500 power amplifier $450.00 $450.00

Subtotal B $27,369.00


C HARDWARE

2 Avalon VT737sp Mic/Pre/Comp $1,900.00 $3,800.00
1 DBX 120 A/XP Sub-Harmonic $299.00 $299.00
2 Universal Audio 6176 mic pre/comp/limtr/eq $2,195.00 $4,390.00
2 Universal Audio 1176LN comp/limitr $1,600.00 $3,200.00
1 Manley VoxBox MicPre/Comp/Limtr/EQ $3,600.00 $3,600.00
1 Manley Massive Passive EQ $4,320.00 $4,320.00
1 Apogee Big Ben 192k Master Word Clock $1,200.00 $1,200.00
1 Apogee AD 16 AD converter $2,599.00 $2,599.00
1 Apogee DA 16 DA converter $2,599.00 $2,599.00
4 Empirical Labs EL8 Distressors w Brit + Image $1,985.00 $7,940.00
1 Emipirical Labs EL7 Fatso compressor $2,250.00 $2,250.00
1 Alesis • ADAT XT20 $980.00 $980.00
1 Tascam DA-45 24bit DAT Recorder $1,800.00 $1,800.00

Subtotal C $38,977.00


D SYNTHS/SAMPLERS

1 Korg Triton 88 key Workstation $4,000.00 $4,000.00
1 Roland Fantom S 61 Key Workstation $2,095.97 $2,095.97
1 Yamaha Motif Rack Synthesizer $999.00 $999.00
1 Roland XV-5080 Synthesizer $0.00
1 Pioneer CDJ-1000 CD Turntable $1,169.99 $1,169.99
1 Technics SL1210 MKII Turntable $469.00 $469.00
1 Numark TTX1 Digital Turntable $399.00 $399.00
1 Vestax PMC 07 Pro DJ mixer $399.99 $399.99

Subtotal D $9,532.95



E MICS

1 Neumann • U 87 Large Diaphram Microphone $2,346.00 $2,346.00
1 Neumann TLM103 Microphone $975.00 $975.00
2 AKG C414/ULS SE Microphone $700.00 $1,400.00
1 Rode NTK Microphone $500.00 $500.00
4 Shure SM-57 Dynamic Microphone $80.00 $320.00
2 Shure SM Beta-58a SuperCardioid
Microphone $164.00 $328.00
4 Audio Technica Pro 37R High SPL Cardioid Mic $140.00 $560.00
4 Sony MDR 7506 Headphones $99.67 $398.68

Subtotal E $6,827.68


F BASS/GUITAR

1 Music Man Stingray 4 4-String Bass $1,299.99 $1,299.99
1 Yamaha Silent Guitar $550.00 $550.00
1 Warwick RockBass Corvette Classic $549.99 $549.99
1 Hartke Kickback 12 Bass Guitar Combo Amp $459.99 $459.99
1 Boss GT-6B Bass Multi Effect $399.99 $399.99

Subtotal F $3,259.96


G MISCELLANEOUS

4 Furman PL Plus Surge Protector $159.00 $636.00
4 DBX PB-48 patch bay $129.00 $516.00
7 CNB ATA 4-Space Effects Rack $59.99 $419.93
3 CNB ATA 2-Space Effects Rack $49.99 $149.97
5 Auralex MoPad Monitor Isolation Pad $29.97 $149.85
2 High Back Executive Chair $149.98 $299.96
1 Neumann EA1 Nickel Shockmount $185.97 $185.97
1 Rode SM2 Shockmount $49.95 $49.95
1 Neumann Spider Shockmount $0.00 $0.00
1 AKG H100 Elastic Spider Shockmount $0.00 $0.00
6 Quik Lok MI Mic Stand $21.95 $131.70
6 Quik Lok Mic Boom $24.97 $149.82
4 Quik Lok Mic Stand Short W/Boom $35.97 $143.88
6 Quik Lok MI 329 Sheet Music Holder $25.97 $155.82
4 Atlas Mic Stand Tall W/5' Boom $259.97 $1,039.88
1 Quik Lok Z726 Keyboard Stand $199.97 $199.97
4 Rubbermaid Diamond Chair Mat $15.99 $63.96
2 Open Mesh Task Chair $59.99 $119.98
1 Couches, TVs, Cables, Adapters, $5,000.00 $5,000.00
6 Shure Popper Stopper $26.19 $157.14

Subtotal G $9,569.78


Subtotal of A - G $194,199.37

Tax $16,992.44


Total $211,191.81


Peace...

spin

[gamebhai]

hi sorry for "Crosspointing"

yea its my skool hw.. :P but presented in thesis form...im at sae..yea the diploma program is relly sad here!

thnx spinster for the info!

[darrin_h2000]

Id replace the pres listed with 4 Great river ME2NV. at 8 grand. and add a decent tube pre for 3 grand.

Dump the protools get An Akai DPS24 for under 4 grand spend good money on effects.and mastering tools...you will be suprised how a 200 dollar FMR comp will perform.

the mic list is good but you should look into the Steven Paul designed mic and use alot of 57s. No need to blow 20 grand on a mic alone.

Now the room will eat enough money for you ...be sure and contact john sayers with the dimentions...or auralex will gladly lay out the design for you.

Follow this plan and you will come in under budget, and still have a suporior setup.

[Michael Jones]

Its hard to believe that you're in any kind of "Kolledge", writing the way you do, but I'll play along.

You're only allowed a budget of $100,000??
That's really not very much money! AND a 1 control room - 1 recording room isn't a very diversified set-up. For $100K, you could have a much more workable recording facility.

I'm building a MODEST 1200 sq. ft. facility, from the ground up, and the building ALONE - finished out - with acoustic treatments, is comming in at around $60,000. But its more than 2 rooms.

I'd say: "Build Michael's studio, add in his mic locker, DAW, outboard, then subtract his piano, and spend the rest on a pack of gum."

[gamebhai]

yea the room size is 20ftX20ft...thats what the assignment says so i cant change that!

n i dont need fancy mastering equipment...its basic recording/mixing studio

[Blue Bear Sound]

Originally posted by gamebhai
n i dont need fancy mastering equipment...its basic recording/mixing studio

Oh that's good - because if you did, you'd need another $200,000 to equip a mastering place!

[VSpaceBoy]

Well from looking at MJ's #'s comparativly speaking and you stating that its just going to be basic. I'd say for that amount of $ you'll get a nice studio facility to work in and a tascam portastudio to track on.

Space

[VSpaceBoy]

Well from looking at MJ's #'s comparativly speaking and you stating that its just going to be basic. I'd say for that amount of $ you'll get a nice studio facility to work in and a tascam portastudio to track on.

Space

[Michael Jones]

20'X20' huh?

Well, those dimensions kind of suck, but if that's what you've got, then you gotta go with it I guess.

The building alone, fitted out with acoustics, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, et al is going to run around $60,000. (400 sq. ft. @ $150/sq.ft.)
Is there a site, or land cost you need to consider too? You have to have some place to put your building.

The other 40 grand is going to vaporize when you start looking at equipment.

[Velvet Elvis]

You guys are missing the obvious

Take the $100,000... buy a $50,000 farm house somewhere way the heck out in the country... now noise isn't an issue.

Spend $1,000 on your portastudio rig (because that's all you'd be able to afford with that budget anyhow)...

Spend ~$10,000 on some good mics, stands and room treatment.

And use the other $39,000 to buy a nice car to drive clients to and from the farm

Then, since you can only use 20x20 worth of space... rent out the rest of the farm as a practice hall or hotel for the people recording.

Problem solved.

You didn't say it actually had to SOUND good etc Only that it had to be in a certain budget.

Velvet Elvis
'the King (of sarcasm anyhow)'

[Scinx]

Or wat you shud do is build a 20x20 strukture with no roof - it will sound better. Split it in half. Get one mikrofone, one cable, one tape deck. Done. Just spend alot on the tape deck - for instance, but a $75K bid on one on eBay. Presto!
I shud of wroten more

[CanopuS]

BBS where exactly did you find the money to build your studio?

[Blue Bear Sound]

Originally posted by CanopuS
BBS where exactly did you find the money to build your studio?

Drugs and prostitution, where else?? Duh!

[CanopuS]

Well... Nah seriously, I'm just interested how the hell people get into the industry

[laptoppop]

20x20 is actually a good size for a student -- it corresponds to a typical 2 car garage. As such, there are some decent plans on John Sayer's SAE (!) recording manual, as well as some plans that have been discussed here and on his website's forum.

A lot of the construction costs depend on if you are having it built, or if you build it yourself. My one-room tiny studio probably cost about 5K for construction costs (not equipment, just sound and acoustic treatments). If a good contractor does it, it can easily run $200. per square foot - oops! there's 80,000 right off the bat! By scaling back and cutting down, maybe $100 per sq. foot -- its very site specific, so its hard to say. If its a thought excercise, then assume big thick concrete walls so you don't have to soundproof from outside to save $.

I guess for a paper, I'd allocate 1/2 to construction and 1/2 to equipment. For $50,000 you can go a couple of different ways. You can have a darn good used 2" analog tape connected to a mixing console, or you can have a darn good computer based workstation connected to a control surface. I *love* my high end PC (about $3K), running Sonar ($800), with 2 Aardvark Direct pro interfaces ($1K) and Mackie Control surface ($1k). That leaves you about $44K for outboard gear and a good selection of microphones.

Just some thoughts,
-lee-

[frederic]

This is almost too easy.

I'm given $100K, and a 20x20 room?

Here is what I'd do.

I'd park my F350 in the 20x20 room, then visit BlueBearSound, bringing a fine bottle of scotch, I'd tell him I think he's the coolest guy in the world, get him drunk, and do all my recording there.

Then pocket the $99,811.16 left over minus the bribe, er, scotch.

Fred <---- the smart one

[Scinx]

You arent given the 20x20 room, so I am going to charge you $10K in consulting fees for the following suggestion: Park F350 Outside, and continue on with rest of plan.
Please remit payment to:
John Doe Consulting
123 Main St.
Anytown, State 00000

Thanks

[Blue Bear Sound]

[foreverain4]

i didnt know tascam made ADAT's. hhmmm..