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    I skimmed through the video above...and I don't disagree with him, to a point...though he does come off like he is full of himself and he know all.

    He is kinda saying you (or he) are only able to guarantee good mixes from having phenomenal singers and players, and great songs and arrangements...which isn't necessarily the case.
    If you have those things...it will be a LOT easier to get that great mix, because the performances and the songs will be able to cut through most mixing decisions...unless you totally butcher the mix.
    Likewise, I think a decent singer and player and decent song can be lifted up by a really good mix.

    No one is arguing that if the singer sucks, the playing sucks and the song sucks...that the mix isn't going to fix that...and that's what he is pretty much saying...which I think is stating the obvious.
    However, it's not just two extremes...phenomenal performances and songs on one end, and totally wrecks on the other.
    I mean...turn on the radio or your "stream"...and you can hear a lot of well mixed, sonically pleasant music...where the actual performances and songs are not that phenomenal, and they mostly are OK, and were help a LOT at the mixing stage to sound better.

    I'm curious how many times he pitch-corrects his singers vocals when he mixes, considering that some of the "great" Pop singers have a hard time always nailing their vocals.

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    He's right you know.

    I'm a recordist, not a "mixing engineer". I also fix noise problems in gear/studios. I hear stuff most people can't hear. And I'm not talking about noise in gear, but also about the wildlife in the woods. I hear animals rustling before anyone else. Yet I can't hear a big difference between a top notch violin and a decent one, presuming both have been tuned. I can't tell which one is best. Musicians can, they tell me.

    Now I'm not a musician. When I record music, I do the tech stuff. For the rest, I'm as invisible as possible. It's a totally different approach from the average pop/rock/dance/whatever studio. I don't tune instruments and I don't mess with the arrangement of the music.

    The kind of musicians I work with, appreciate that. They don't like the tech sticking his nose in their stuff. Now these are not your average pop/rock/dance/whatever musicians. Most, if not all instruments are acoustic.

    I only touch recordings when absolutely needed. No eq is the best eq, imho. I only touch up recordings when the room isn't very good, or I've f*cked up somehow, in which case I'm happy to take the blame.

    I usually provide a "live mix" on CD. That's done while recording and printed immediately after the gig. Only minimal corrections.

    I've NEVER had complaints about the recording or the CD. A few of these CD's went straight to mastering and then were pressed.

    But I always hear complaints about the musician's performance. Something like "Robert was off today. I can't even listen to that. But then, he's having a cold..."

    Graham is right. I'm not a fan. But he's right. It's not about the gear, it's not about the studio, or the engineer. All that is hype.

    Maybe it's about instruments. Dunno. But the most important part are the musicians.

    The only thing I'm certain off, is that it's about ears. Fortunately, the vast majority of listeners seem to have none. I can't even listen to more than half of what's commercially released these days. Autotune, compression, added distortion and even noise. It all sounds like a soup to me. I rarely encounter well mixed and well mastered music these days.

    So, I'm officially and old fart now
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    I've always found his videos pretty straightforward. Yes, he's selling himself, but what's wrong with that? His points about it not being the equipment, plugins, etc., have always resonated with me because it's proven over and over again when I go out and record an entire evening of different performers at an open mic. I throw everything into a common template, and the teriffic, talented performers, are pretty much done at that point. I triage through and each one after the first one or two requires more and more work, but no matter what I do (and I know there are folks out there that could do more), they aren't as good as the best ones. (And, to paraphrase GC/TRR, they can't be because they're just not as good a performance.)

    I don't think he's being "uppity" or whatever bothers folks. It's just his way of being honest.

    I haven't ever bought one of his courses because the kind of music he works with, largely pop and CC, are just something I am not interested in (having done my time in a church praise team for 5 years), but his focused workflow, emphasizing minimal plugins and how to use them are a good resource for anyone. Plus, it's organized in a way that can help folks who are overloaded by what is often conflicting information. In short, I think you can do worse than spend time watching some of his videos, and will continue to suggest it as a resource for folks starting out or even needing a little break from the ones selling mics, interfaces, preamps, plugins, et al.
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    As to his skills, he ended up being interviewed on Pensado's place. You don't get invited there if you're a slouch or a hack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFR View Post
    As to his skills, he ended up being interviewed on Pensado's place. You don't get invited there if you're a slouch or a hack.
    Well, with no disprect to either gentlemen or their channels, TRR has almost 2x the number of subscribers as P'sP, so that's going to generate invites to anyone's channel that thinks they might pick up some of those, because, in the words I heard long, long ago (about TV/ad revenue), "it's all about eyeballs."
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    True, but still, they don't bring on losers.

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    We all know popular doesn't mean good. Whether its a video or a top selling "artist". This is a home recording site. I do my best to get the best. But I have been around long enough and Listened enough to feel respect for the people who have won Grammys for their production/engineering. And I have spent a lot of time listening to these award winners and they are to my mind, a great deal more supportive and positive. Many say its a job requirement. I don't buy the just being honest thing. IMHO its like telling someone You are fat and unattractive. I am not. So? I'm just being honest. I'm not saying that his videos cant help some people or that he doesn't have a right to do his own thing. Im just saying that just because someone makes videos or is on the net doesn't mean you should believe everything they have to say, always consider the source. And ultimately I thought the video was funny because it doesn't really match the image he has cultivated
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFR View Post
    As to his skills, he ended up being interviewed on Pensado's place. You don't get invited there if you're a slouch or a hack.
    Now that's a guy who sold out completely. A disguised ad every five minutes. In every one of his vids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrano View Post
    Now that's a guy who sold out completely. A disguised ad every five minutes. In every one of his vids.

    Hey...he has to pay to bills somehow for the all interview & instructional video productions he does...and then offers up for free to people like us.

    Not sure why every time a creative person makes money off their work....some people will say "he sold out"...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
    Hey...he has to pay to bills somehow for the all interview & instructional video productions he does...and then offers up for free to people like us.

    Not sure why every time a creative person makes money off their work....some people will say "he sold out"...?
    I think cyrano's point was that it's disingenuous.

    [I don't follow anyone's channel being discussed in this thread so no horse in this race]

    Most good channels make the sponsorship obvious. I follow a lot of car channels and they *always* state the sponsor, usually right at the beginning and/or in the video's written description. They also often explain if their 'sponsorship' had any bearing on the outcome on the video's content/conclusions.

    You can almost always assume that any guest or product featured in a video isn't going to be ripped to shreds. The reviewer has to ride that fine line between objectivity and sustainability. They can't expect future guest or products if they shit on all of them. That's why I take channel reviews with a grain of salt, and for products especially rely on customer based reviews above all else.
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