Use the bedroom and turn it into a home studio

[gecko zzed]

And then you notice that problem and solve it. Just solve that what's needed.

Firstly you have to recognise that their is a problem. Sometimes it is obvious, and at other times it isn't. However, solving it is not as easy as it sounds. Again, you need knowledge and techniques to be able to solve problems. And sometimes, an obvious solution is the wrong one.

For example: too much bass coming through the mix? Easy: just roll the bass off a bit. And now it sounds great. So you pop the mix onto a USB stick, take it somewhere else and play it . . . and it sound like crap . . . no bottom end. So there was never too much bass in your mix. It came from your speakers, or from the room, and your roll-off was simply compensating for a characteristic of one (or both) of those. In a well built and equipped studio, speakers and room have little if no effect on the mix, and the obvious solution would likely be the right one. But in a studio set up in a bedroom or some other random space, there is a lot of work to do to figure out how the room is influencing what you hear.

Too much will reduce your results too.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here.Maybe you could expand a bit?

Aren't the object i've mentioned no interfering artefacts then?

No. You have misunderstood what I was talking about. I'm talking about artefacts, not articles. I'm referring to unwanted audio effects that are produced by virtue of some aspect of the room's design or construction. Not to furniture and fittings.

A good musician can make very nice music with hardly anything, while another with all possible super stuff creates shit.

Sure. I don't disagree with this, A good musician can also make very nice music with super stuff. And a poor musician with hardly anything is likely to create smellier shit. I'm not sure this is relevant.

 

[42low]

At first [MENTION=45599]gecko zzed[/MENTION] i want to thank you for a discussion with pleasant communication with respect which some not seem to be able too.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here.Maybe you could expand a bit?

If you do to much the material will eat the sounds you actually want.

No. You have misunderstood what I was talking about. I'm talking about artefacts, not articles. I'm referring to unwanted audio effects that are produced by virtue of some aspect of the room's design or construction. Not to furniture and fittings.

As if that furniture and other stuff hanging around doesn't effect the audio?
And if not (which i think) the effects off other interferences are lesser important than communicated all the time.
I even state that the hanging around stuff has some positive effects. An unwanted sound bend can actually compliment a recording. If not all would be flat.

Btw, it's what you see all the time when famous bands record. Like in the Metalica YT to be seen too.

Sure. I don't disagree with this, A good musician can also make very nice music with super stuff. And a poor musician with hardly anything is likely to create smellier shit. I'm not sure this is relevant.

This is that much relevant that one can make good recordings without the pro studio as always is adviced as needed (or otherwise no quality possible, as some state all the time).
One can easily start with less and still make good recordings.
So it is relevant IMHO.

Firstly you have to recognise that their is a problem. Sometimes it is obvious, and at other times it isn't. However, solving it is not as easy as it sounds. Again, you need knowledge and techniques to be able to solve problems. And sometimes, an obvious solution is the wrong one.

And even if a studio is build 100% it has failures within it which have to be recorgnized.
Come on, were advising a guy who most likely is just starting. He needs to start step by step, and he can not start at pro level at once like some expect.
He has to learn to recognize. He has to experience what goes wrong to do it right eventually.
He can start simple and build up. My advice!

 

[mjbphotos]

42low, look - the original post in this thread was about using a small square bedroom for mixing and 'resting' (that's what the diagram showed). This room would not give good mixes as is. Square shape - problem nodes. No real acoustic treatment. Carpet and a small mattress (not symmetrically placed) will do nothing to help these problem nodes. Yes, you can tame flutter echo with soft surfaces (carpet, foam, blanket on wall), but it does not help the low-mids or bass. You end up with a boxy sound like that sofa cushion example in the video you posted.
This is all any of us have tried to point out and you keep arguing against. If you can mix music well in such a room, go for it - but it is not the advise that should be given to a newbie - no more than that 2nd video with the woman in a bedroom with random pieces of foam on the walls.

 

[Massive Master]

Well, let's go ahead and assume that for whatever odd reason, he *is* getting good mixes in that space -- And that's fine. Could be a zillion reasons -- Maybe he's just really lucky, maybe there's something in the space that's making the space atypical, maybe there are all sorts of problems in there that he's not even aware of (my money is on that one) but for whatever reason, maybe they're not affecting what he's doing negatively.

My $0.02 on this one is that he's basically spreading a lot of misinformation -- From "it's (Abbey 2) a big square room with curtains" to "(whatever) temperature control stuff" and so many little gems like

If you do to much the material will eat the sounds you actually want.

which is --- I mean, I think everyone understands that - ambience aside - the only thing that "too much" broadband trapping will do is make the space incrementally closer to "perfect" (although of course, typically, that perfection will only ever be incrementally closer).

He's denying facts and physics -- And for whatever anomalous reason it's working for him (allegedly), suggesting that it's the right move for anyone else is just absurd. Implying that others are wrong for trying to do it right just doesn't support his argument.

No one is arguing that quality recordings can't be made in less-than-ideal situations. We're just not hiding from it. I work on amazing recordings done in crap spaces frequently. I work on crap recordings done in amazing spaces also. But no one I know that knows is going to choose a poorly-controlled space over a properly controlled space.

 

[42low]

Well, let's go ahead and assume that for whatever odd reason, he *is* getting good mixes in that space -- And that's fine. Could be a zillion reasons -- Maybe he's just really lucky, maybe there's something in the space that's making the space atypical, maybe there are all sorts of problems in there that he's not even aware of (my money is on that one) but for whatever reason, maybe they're not affecting what he's doing negatively.

And why can't OP have some luck with his room?
Shouldn't he try that at first and then discover what's going wrong? Before he totally rebuilds his room?
Like i said many times now. Start with some basics and correct were necessary.

I think you're not aware that i've already explaned what overhere is helping for a good sound. I've explaned it almost all and i know exactly what i'm talking about. Learn to read before you take wrong conclusions and attack someone with those.

I've said exactly what gecko said in his #5.

5 To the OP . . .just do it. It may work, it may not. But you won't know unless you try it.

And if he says it it's great, were i get burned down like i would spread negative misinformation.
Fuck it man. Now i'm agitate yeah. Now i'm finished with this foolish discussion.

At OP. Buy many stuff and rebuild your room at full. That's the holy truth what the 'specialists' overhere worship.
For sure later your gear will also not do at all cause then too you need al the 'lights and knobs' or your gear will suck. So start saving money for that already too.
Don't listen to me or anyone else than the 'lights and knobs' artists which make super world hits with famous artists all the time.
Good luck. (for real to you)

 

[miroslav]

i wonder how much your professional studio cost already without (enough) customers to make a profit.

It cost more than you could imagine...and you're once again mistaken.
I didn't build my studio "to make a profit"...I built it for my pleasure.
I don't need "to make a profit" from it in order to have it, keep it and to enjoy it.

Now i'm finished with this foolish discussion.

You will be back 20 more times...refusing to accept the reality that is being provided by others.

When you go with that "have some luck", blind-eyed approach to acoustics...it will bite you in the ass more times than it will deliver the goods....so, good luck.

 

[42low]

It cost more than you could imagine...and you're once again mistaken.
I didn't build my studio "to make a profit"...I built it for my pleasure.
I don't need "to make a profit" from it in order to have it, keep it and to enjoy it.

Oh. So you're no professional producer or musician?
Now i wonder if you ever been further than your own studio.
Your no more than me? No more then most of us here? What gives you the right to act that omniscient then?
So i appear to be right about you when i named you "a cute wannabe"?

-Fvck you wannabe Miroslave. I'm not going to justify myself for you so i've deleted this part of text.-

That's MY curriculum vitae with music. That's my experience with music. So let that be clear for now and ever.

Those who can reach that too we can have conversations on the same level or even i can learn from you with respect from both sides.
If one can't reach that there is no problem at all for me and you will keep my respect.
If one can't reach that but you start a discussion as if i don't know what i'm talking about then you disrespect me and you won't get my respect ending up on my ignore list.

Can everyone please make clear to me if he can reach this level? As long as this is not i demand some respect. If one can i demand some respect too.

 

[miroslav]

See...once again you're mistaken, as usual.

Just because I choose to have a pro home studio without the need to make a profit in it, that doesn't mean I haven't worked in a pro studio. I don't mean "worked" as in I got to record some tracks there...I mean I actually worked in the studio as assistant engineer on some sessions, on a vintage 8058 Neve console. Really enjoyed that time.
Also, years back, I actually did do some recording for profit in my studio at the time.
Not to mention, I've also worked in a pro TV production studio, both on the video and audio recording side.

So...keep trying...you'll get something right eventually.

Oh...I've also seen many famous people on TV, on the stage, and heard famous musicians at concerts....

Dude...there's millions of people who've known, shook hands, and stood in the same room as someone famous....but that didn't make them famous.
Get over it....and please go back to ignoring me.

 

[einstein magoo]

This whole conversation reminds me...a wise man once said "Screwy Rabbit, Trix are for kids".

Now, how about a little respect. I DEMAND it!

 

[42low]

Dude...there's millions of people who've known, shook hands, and stood in the same room as someone famous....but that didn't make them famous.

Again scrambling my words. I said something different.
And yeah, we all have multiple widely hitcharts famous people within hour friends. We all had more than as you call it a photomoment (i meant having fun all night at the bar because you know them).
We all had personal conversations with famous people, more than asking for an autograph.

Are you stupid or whatever? Alzheimer? Brain faillures?

Oh...I've also seen many famous people on TV, on the stage, and heard famous musicians at concerts....

Ow man. What a childish reaction again. Famous people on TV ... how do you come up with such a stupid phrase.
And the man earned some pocket money with a small gig. Congratulations on that one.

Just because I choose to have a pro home studio without the need to make a profit in it

May i remind you at some words said here?

's agree that different people have different levels of needs.

Yes please. I agree, but do others?
Tell those (each time the same) who each time yell to buy loads off unneeded stuff that it can be done otherwise with perfect results, and their 'holy truth' don't fit for everyone. Tell me if this ain't true and i will shut op for ever!!

Seems clear what's happening here again.
So why you (and some others) always push everyone to do it 'your way', and disrespect those who do it otherwise? And that is something you don't to with me alone, but you do it with a lot. Your way or the highway. Acting like your some kind of 'God'.

See...once again you're mistaken, as usual.

No you make the mistake again. I'm still no less than you are, so stop disrespecting me you !@#$%
With all your 'knobs and lights' to me your music sucks huge. Slack and weak productions. Wannabe stuff.

That were 2 out of 20. It won't become 3. You ain't worth my effort to write down what i think about you.

 

[miroslav]

Now, how about a little respect. I DEMAND it!

You got it baby...I'll still respect you in the morning.

 

[gecko zzed]

At first [MENTION=45599]gecko zzed[/MENTION] i want to thank you for a discussion with pleasant communication with respect which some not seem to be able too.

I don't find it particularly difficult to have a conversation that is civil. But it strikes me that you are having some difficulty in doing the same. So maybe you need to be a little less defensive.

If you do to much the material will eat the sounds you actually want.

Yes and no to this. I agree that if you are fitting out your recording space and you are hanging up blankets and other stuff, there is a possibility you can overdo it and create a dead, lifeless space.

On the other hand, this isn't the process that is used in studio design. The acoustic properties of materials are determined beforehand to result in a desirable acoustic space, and that's where it stops. And, as Massive Master noted, "the only thing that "too much" broadband trapping will do is make the space incrementally closer to "perfect" (although of course, typically, that perfection will only ever be incrementally closer".

The danger only exists for someone who doesn't understand acoustics.

 

[Farview]

One of the reasons Abbey road and the studio Metallica was in don't have a ton of absorption is because the rooms are huge. The bigger the room, the less problems you have with standing waves.

In a bedroom, it will be a huge issue.

 

[jimmys69]

This is entertaining as well as annoying. I have a 5 year old child that reminds me everyday to get her a new fish, or hamster, or hair dye, or lizard or... But she is really cute. That takes the edge off the annoying side.

 

[miroslav]

One of the reasons Abbey road and the studio Metallica was in don't have a ton of absorption is because the rooms are huge. The bigger the room, the less problems you have with standing waves.

In a bedroom, it will be a huge issue.

I think you need like over 30' before you get into the safe zone.

 

[jimmys69]

I think you need like over 30' before you get into the safe zone.

And 20'+ ceiling....

 

[Massive Master]

May be slightly off-topic -- But every time I hear someone *demanding* respect (as opposed to earning it like everyone else), this plays in my head:

Fredo I'm Smart! Respect LOUD - YouTube

What a great movie. And one of the most poignant moments of that movie.

 

[jimmys69]

Way off topic. But it fits for sure.

And I find it odd that anyone would ever demand respect? Isn't that an oxymoron?

Respect is something that is earned by having longevity of experience.

I feel bad for this guy thinking he knows everything from pictures and videos.

Nothing replaces 'real world' time working with audio/bands/music.

I don't claim to know it all. Far from it. I only have my time spent learning from others and what I have built and found to be the proper investments for my rooms/recordings.

It makes me sad when someone thinks that it easy to make their music sound good. I spend way to much time fixing recordings done in shitty rooms.

I do not have that issue in my studio because I invested time/money to make the rooms acoustically good as possible with their limitations.

The advice I give is based upon my personal experience and what I have learned from professionals. Not something I read on the internet. Not some asshole trying to sell me shit. Real and actual experience.

So seriously, anyone who thinks acoustically treating a room is not necessary, needs to pull their head out of ass and stop pretending/bitching.

Experience and knowledge comes from doing. Ignorance comes from lack of experience. Just my opinion.

 

[miroslav]

And I find it odd that anyone would ever demand respect? Isn't that an oxymoron?

No...just a moron.

 

[mixsit]

I've just hung out back' today, 'checking in a few times. IMHO, this last day or so, isn't (hasn't been) very, well, 'productive? I was wondering if it was going to be shut down. Seemed like a place to let it rest.
Anyway, here I am back from my little gig, feeling .. and ... :>)