Sending effect to mixer?

ecc83 said:
If you send JUST the mic channel from AUX to the input of the pedal then only the mic will be "effected" .
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Thanks. When you say AUX do you mean the jack under the line-in socket, which is beneath the XLR mic socket please? Or do you mean the AUX SEND socket?

Where does the FX pedal-out jack go, into which socket?
 
Well I got a result, have managed to split guitar & vocals (MIC) with some echo FX on the vocals

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Needed to replug the guitar-out jack to OUT/IN-UNBAL socket. This works but I don't know if there's a better socket to use.
 
Using the insert as a recording send is a valid approach but you seem to be skipping around to different things without a deliberate plan. It helps to be methodical and take small steps instead of big jumps. I will say that the photos with the labels and arrows really makes it clear what you're doing. I can instantly understand your routing.
 
bouldersoundguy said:
Be sure to turn down the channel aux knobs on everything but the mic channel.
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Thanks. Remember also please I'm additionally putting a guitar thro the mixer. Yesterday was a disaster area because in swapping mono for stereo outs I neglected to pan left & right, so the mixer must have been blending to my computer where i was trying to disentangle the audio sources.

This evening for some reason I couldn't get the stereo-out for the guitar to deliver, so I swapped back to the unbalanced mono. Presumably the AUX SEND is also mono (?) so the pan operation didn't raise its head this evening & i got clean guitar on one track with independent FX vocals from the mic on the other. Wow, that made such a difference, two clear sources with the ability to tweak them on their own if necessary :)
 
bouldersoundguy said:
Using the insert as a recording send is a valid approach but you seem to be skipping around to different things without a deliberate plan. It helps to be methodical and take small steps instead of big jumps. I will say that the photos with the labels and arrows really makes it clear what you're doing. I can instantly understand your routing.
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Thanks. Am skipping about - but it's because i'm skipping between mixers. Can stick with the MG102c now because it gets me FX on the mic, leaving the guitar clean.

What's the point of those built-in FX on the other mixer if they bleed thro to all the other channels, despite the other FX knobs set to zero? That is so limiting. Why not have individual FX on each channel, or just one FX channel insulated from the others?

But is my current pedal set-up ok though? Surely the FX should or could be replugged (looped?) to the mixer so that you could monitor what's going on thro the mixer headphone socket? I mean. not everyone is going to be plugging to a digital interface where you can also attach phones for monitoring?
 
kr236rk said:
Thanks. Am skipping about - but it's because i'm skipping between mixers. Can stick with the MG102c now because it gets me FX on the mic, leaving the guitar clean.

What's the point of those built-in FX on the other mixer if they bleed thro to all the other channels, despite the other FX knobs set to zero? That is so limiting. Why not have individual FX on each channel, or just one FX channel insulated from the others?

But is my current pedal set-up ok though? Surely the FX should or could be replugged (looped?) to the mixer so that you could monitor what's going on thro the mixer headphone socket? I mean. not everyone is going to be plugging to a digital interface where you can also attach phones for monitoring?
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Okay, here's what I would do (read carefully and do this one step at a time):

Connect the Aux out of the board to the input of the pedal and the output of the pedal to the Left/Mono of channel 3 (or whatever open Left/Mono input you've got). Pan everything center, or as desired. Turn the Aux knob on the mic channel up and all the other ones down.

That will allow you to do a mix for live use or to listen to in headphones. This is the normal configuration of a mixer like that.

Pick up a pair of insert tap cables*. They are a specialty cable with TRS (like a headphone plug) on one end and TS (like a guitar cable plug) on the other. You plug the TRS end into the mixer insert and the TS end into the interface. (*You can cheat and partially insert a standard guitar cable to the "first click". This works well with some insert jacks and not well with others. Try it.)

Now you'll be able to record guitar and vocal (or anything plugged into channels 1 and 2) dry, which is nice because you can do a better job with your vocal effects after recording. You'll still be able to hear your effects live.

Finally, connect the line outputs of the interface to a stereo channel on the mixer.

That will let you hear playback from the computer in headphones connected to the mixer. You can even record an additional part to something that's already recorded by doing this. In fact, you could record a drum part first and then record your vocal and guitar.

If you ever want to record your mix instead of the two separate inputs connect the mixer Rec Out, instead of the inserts, to the interface inputs.
 
kr236rk said:
Do you mean something like this please?

Hosa Cable STP202 TRS To Dual 1/4 Inch Insert Cable
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Not exactly. That's a standard insert cable which is typically used to put a compressor on one channel. It allows for both sending and receiving signal.

What I was describing is more unusual, with only one TS end. It's designed to only send.

I'd prefer it to be one cable but the commercial ones I can find seem to be adapters meant to be used with a standard instrument cable:

Hosa DOC106 Audio Direct Out Insert Cable
 
We have a guy here, Rob runs "Kabl Cables" who will make you any simple bespoke cable you want and is very reasonably priced.
Can't be the only custom cable make in the world?

Dave.
 
Thanks, what exactly will this mono-stereo lead accomplish that a mono-mono or stereo-stereo won't - i mean what are we doing, merging two sources (like guitar + vocals) into one mono signal please? Is this a stage technique for monitoring a live mix, or a studio technique for recording?
 
kr236rk said:
Thanks, what exactly will this mono-stereo lead accomplish that a mono-mono or stereo-stereo won't - i mean what are we doing, merging two sources (like guitar + vocals) into one mono signal please? Is this a stage technique for monitoring a live mix, or a studio technique for recording?
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Nothing to do with mono or stereo. The "insert" on a mixer usually comes after the mic/line pre amp (look at the signal block diagram for that mixer) and when a TRS jack is inserted it picks up the mic signal on the tip (almost always) as a "send" but breaks the feed from the mic amp to the rest of the mixer channel. The ring returns the signal from whatever processing box is in use.

Thus, if you want to pinch a bit of mic signal but DON'T want to stop the signal getting thru' the mixer you need a TRS plug with tip and ring linked and the signal outputting to a TS jack to the FX box.

The FX return can go back into another line input or the dedicated "return" channel.

I am surprised such leads are not widely available but then I have hardly looked. I would/have rolled my own!

Dave.
 
Thanks Dave & apologies, I am not an electronics expert although I wish I was. These specialist plugs seem to be virtually non-existent this side of the pond, unless of course they go under another name?
 
You might find it called a mono to stereo adapter.

Really, all you have to do is remove one TS end from a guitar cable and put on a TRS with the conductor soldered to both tip and ring*. This might be a good time to learn to solder.

[Edit] *And, of course, connect the shield to sleeve as usual.
 
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