micing the drums with 4 mics

**CMB Studios** · 02-12-2013

As RAMI mentioned earlier... i think you'd be best off getting another condenser... preferably an exact replica of what you have....

use the condensers for OH and use the 57 for snare and the 58 for kick.

edit - the reason you want 2 OH is for a stereo recording... obviously pan 1 OH L and 1 R.... in my opinion... more important than a kick ass kick drum sound.

**lurek100** · 02-14-2013

finally I have bought set of 2 rode nt5 . will use them for overheads. (£150 for set second hand)
- sm57 for snare and
- sm58 for kick

at the moment it will have to work.

**witzendoz** · 02-14-2013

Originally Posted by lurek100

finally I have bought set of 2 rode nt5 . will use them for overheads. (£150 for set second hand)
- SM57 for snare and
- SM58 for kick

at the moment it will have to work.

And it will work, there may be a marginal difference with using the SM57 on kick and the SM58 on snare as well. I used an SM58 for years on kick for live shows with great results, experiment with the distance inside the kick (assuming that there is a hole or no front skin) to adjust the tone and attack, makes a big difference. The nt5's will make excellent overheads.

alan.

**CMB Studios** · 02-15-2013

Originally Posted by lurek100

finally I have bought set of 2 rode nt5 . will use them for overheads. (£150 for set second hand)
- sm57 for snare and
- sm58 for kick

at the moment it will have to work.

there's no reason you wont get good results with the 57 on the snare and 2 OH's besides poor mic placement and engineering.... meaning... you have the tools you need, now just learn how to use em properly.

The 58 on the kick is not ideal, but thast the way it goes.... you can still get good results ... it just means you will need to spend more time placing and EQing

**singer202** · 02-15-2013

Not to be a buzz kill, but personally, I have tried micing a kick with a 58, and heard others and never heard even a decent sound from it. DEFINITILY get a kick mic soon. You can record drums just fine with a kick mic, a snare mic, and one condensor directly over the snare about 3'. (I think you'll be happier than getting another candensor and still having a crappy kick sound.

**CMB Studios** · 02-15-2013

Originally Posted by singer202

Not to be a buzz kill, but personally, I have tried micing a kick with a 58, and heard others and never heard even a decent sound from it. DEFINITILY get a kick mic soon. You can record drums just fine with a kick mic, a snare mic, and one condensor directly over the snare about 3'. (I think you'll be happier than getting another candensor and still having a crappy kick sound.

you're not being a buzz kill... you're just wrong

edit - obviously a kick drum mic will be better than a 58... but its VERY possible to get a good kick sound with a 58

**singer202** · 02-15-2013

Originally Posted by CMB Studios

you're not being a buzz kill... you're just wrong

edit - obviously a kick drum mic will be better than a 58... but its VERY possible to get a good kick sound with a 58

I disagree, but would be happy to be proved wrong if you can share with me a drum recording that has a good kick sound done with a 58. I just have never come accross one.

**CMB Studios** · 02-15-2013

Originally Posted by singer202

I disagree, but would be happy to be proved wrong if you can share with me a drum recording that has a good kick sound done with a 58. I just have never come accross one.

disagree all you'd like, i dont care to prove you wrong... but trying to tell someone that you cant get good results because you "have never come across it" is an epic amount of ignorant.

**singer202** · 02-15-2013

Originally Posted by CMB Studios

disagree all you'd like, i dont care to prove you wrong... but trying to tell someone that you cant get good results because you "have never come across it" is an epic amount of ignorant.

Well, on this forum, the most important, number one rule for recording that everyone agrees on is "use your ears". I have used my ears in a number of situations and have yet to hear a good kick drum sound recorded with a 58. Furthermore, the time I recorded with a 58 was because I was in the same pinch as the op, and as it turned out, I was never happy with any drum track (no matter how much placing or tweaking) I did until I got a kick mic. Because my ears have never heard it work, it would be misleading of me to say "go for it!", and I would encourage him to waste a crap ton of time trying something that's not likely to yield desirable result (in my opinion, based on my experience). That in not ignorance, that's applying my own experience and knowledge to the situation at hand. Sorry that it is not what you would say but tough. No need to be rude. If I hear a recording that sounds good recorded this way, I will be pleasantly surprised and retract my prior statements.

**lurek100** · 02-15-2013

Im really appreciate your help.
I just would like to add that im guitarist but I like to recording bass , drums and other instruments my self and mix them toogheter for my songs.
Its not gonna be professional recording, just for me to start and learn how to do it in the future when I will have better skill and equipment.
at the moment I bought overheads , will use sm58 for kick ( but in the future will buy akg d12) sm57 for top snare ( but in this video
How to record, track, and mix drums - YouTube
guy say that I should use SM57 for bottom mic because top snare will be picked up by overheads anyway)

I still have one se2200 condenser , I thought I could use it as a room mic or for hihat - what do you think about it?

the reason why I didnt test it yet is : I spent some more money for overhead and now cant afford stands

Will have to wait few days till some money will apear on my account

And just one more questions, can you tell me how I should set overheads?