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    That's IT!!! I've had it!!!

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    Hi all...

    So once again I've found myself wasting hours and getting totally frustrated trying to set up my MIDI gear - this time in Reaper - and getting it all to work. I usually manage to stumble on it somehow, but this time I give up. I hit a wall. I have no more time to sit here covered in wires trying everything under the sun to get it running.

    I'm thinking about putting out some money on a half decent library of VST plugins. I've never worked with any plugins before except for a few FX - reverb, chorus and such. But from what I see, working with these plugins would make my life a lot easier. I also see that the sounds that are out there today are nothing short of spectacular.

    My question is: Do most quality VST plugin bundles work with most DAWs? I want to start using Reaper. Will a quality library of VST work with it?

    Is it really as easy as it looks to work with VST? Would it be the same as the way I work with my MIDI modules... pick a patch to use and then go with it?

    My MIDI keyboard controller is old, meaning that it isn't USB. I have an M-Audio UNO USB MIDI interface. Will I still be able to use it with plugins? Or will I have to buy a new MIDI controller as well?

    I am very serious about trashing all the stuff I have and going in a new direction. I just want to sit down in front of my computer, turn on the controller, spark up Reaper and make music. Am I going down the right path that will take me to that place where I want to be? So many questions to be asked but after all, this is a Newbie forum so I'm pretty sure I'm asking these questions in the right place and to the right people.

    All help and guidance is very much appreciated!!!

    Bobby

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    Hi Oscar,
    Sorry you're getting it rough. If we can help with your current hardware setup don't be afraid to backtrack a little and have another go at that
    but, to answer your questions.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar Myer View Post
    My question is: Do most quality VST plugin bundles work with most DAWs? I want to start using Reaper. Will a quality library of VST work with it?
    Yes, sort of.
    The safest bet is just to visit a plugin/virtual instrument manufacturers website and check which hosts support them.
    Most makers will have a grid of supported hosts+versions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar Myer View Post
    My MIDI keyboard controller is old, meaning that it isn't USB. I have an M-Audio UNO USB MIDI interface. Will I still be able to use it with plugins? Or will I have to buy a new MIDI controller as well?
    Your keyboard combined with midi interface will happy speak to whatever DAW you're using.
    As long as midi gets to the daw, you're good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar Myer View Post
    Is it really as easy as it looks to work with VST? Would it be the same as the way I work with my MIDI modules... pick a patch to use and then go with it?
    Easier, arguably.
    You can load up an instrument, pick a patch and start recording.
    Once done you can decide that patch was no good and audition new ones, using your recording as the audition material.
    There's no need to ever find yourself committed to anything with midi and virtual instruments.


    Have a google around, particular in Reaper's forums, for free virtual instrument suggestions.
    Quality will vary but there are plenty of freebies flying around.
    If nothing else they'll let you figure out if you like that workflow before committing cash.

    For straight up effects/processes, (eq/comp/verb), I believe Reaper comes loaded with those.

    Hope that helps.
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    Hey Bobby, my friend!

    I just stumbled upon your post! If you've not used VSTs and VSTIs much, you're in for a treat. I have hundred of them on Reaper and they are some really nice ones. Mine are all free versions except one or two. If you have any particular instruments or effects in mind I might suggest some of the ones I like. Here is a link to one of the many places you can find VSTs/VSTIs: VST 4 FREE -
    Piano & Strings Plug-ins


    I have a file labeled "VST" and I make sure all my VST/VSTI downloads go to it. Some will have to be extracted after downloading, but as long as you make sure everything goes to your specified file, you're fine. And you have to make Reaper's FX folder scan that file. Then just select "load vitural instrument on track" (if it's an instrument), and select your piano, cello or whatever and you're set. If it's just effects such as reverb you can just add them to a regular track. Clear as mud, haha. It's easy to do but hard to explain.

    Travis
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    Hi Bobby. PLEASE don't give up yet!

    I have had arguments (genteel ones of course!) here and other places bemoaning the lack of MIDI ports on many new interfaces. "You can do it all with USB" it is said (you can't) . Then the case for those MIDI-USB lumps such as you have is trotted out. Some years ago there were many posts from peeps having all sorts of problems with those devices.

    I am sure that if you got a 'proper' Audio Interface with MIDI ports such as the Steinberg UR22 (better the NI KA6) you would find hooking up MIDI gear very straightforward.

    Now, Reaper is great! I have it, paid for but rarely use it and never I don't think for MIDI (old dog, few new tricks) and I am not sure it is the best DAW for that purpose? If you used the UR22 with the supplied Cubase DAW and ASIO drivers I am sure you would get on famously. In fact you can download a 30 day trial of Cubase, worth a do?

    Are you perchance in UK? What PC OS are you running?

    Despite the MIDI hardware naysayers, if you look at much of the latest and greatest audio kit you will see DIN ports in great abundance. The protocol is still very much alive. Even very dinky kit has it in the form of a multi-pin breakout cable or, increasingly, 3.5mm TRS jacks.

    Dave.
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    Just for background,
    last I spoke to Bobby we arrived at a working 'live recording' setup.
    The thread is here but the gist was midi keyboard - midi data - midi instrument - audio output - back to interface - record.

    Just pointing that out because I'm not sure getting midi data into a PC is the problem, although please correct if I'm wrong, Bobby. I know you've been trying different things.
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    If you like the sound of your MIDI gear, then why not sort out the issue rather than spend more money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steenamaroo View Post
    Just for background,
    last I spoke to Bobby we arrived at a working 'live recording' setup.
    The thread is here but the gist was midi keyboard - midi data - midi instrument - audio output - back to interface - record.

    Just pointing that out because I'm not sure getting midi data into a PC is the problem, although please correct if I'm wrong, Bobby. I know you've been trying different things.
    Is he in UK? I ask because if so he can borrow my KA6. PBSure that will fix his wagon.

    Dave.

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    Hi Travis!!!

    Thanks for the link... I've been there all morning, downloading a ton of their stuff. My problem now is, where do I unzip them so that I can use them in Reaper?
    I'm dying to try them out!!!

    Bobby

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    Thanks one and all for the advice - and for giving me new ideas.

    I want to give the free plugins that I've downloaded a try. Problem is, I don't know where to unzip them so that Reaper will see them.

    As always, your help is very much appreciated!

    Bobby

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    I do like my MIDI gear. The problem is, I just don't have the time or patience to try and get them up and running right now.
    That and the fact that my MIDI gear is kind of old now and some of the VSTs I've listened to actually sound better than my modules.

    Bobby

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