NEWBIES using stereo sound cards Article on how to set up your monitoring.

manning1

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ive written this article to show the best way to set up your monitoring while recording if all you have is a low cost stereo sound card. as i get asked by friends setting up a DAW.
as folks complain about hearing themselves problems/latency.
here i'm thinking of the new user with a small behringer or other mixer feeding mic'd voice or instrument to multitrack software on the PC.
this will also save you from bringing your sound card outputs
back into the little mixer for monitoring, and its procedurally a cleaner way of doing things and puts an end to possibly plugging/unplugging cables/connections .
1. find an old cassette deck or line mixer, and plug the stereo output of the sound card into it. in the case of the line mixer plug the sound card stereo output - channel left into lets say line mixer channel 1.
pan line mixer ch1 hard left. and sound card channel right into line mixer channel 2 , and pan channel 2 hard right. now plug your headphones into the headphone jack. the line mixer will have a stereo output .
connect this to your normal studio monitoring ie: power amp or home hifi receiver running your studio monitors. if you have several sets of monitors.
just use a speaker selection box between the monitor amp and the speakers.
to turn off main monitoring while recording with headphones, just turn down the volume send on the line mixer sending to your
monitoring. if instead you cant afford a line mixer and opt to use
a cassette deck. plug the stereo left and right of sound card output into the deck left and right line inputs. now put a blank tape into the cassette deck, and set the deck to pause/record and plug headphones into the cassette deck headphone jack for monitoring while recording. take output of cassette deck line out
to your normal studio monitoring as before. a side benefit is if the cassette deck has nice VU meters and youve test tone aligned everything to just shy of -2db i would recommend, ie: recording mixer thru monitoring, you will know immediately if the signal your sending to the sound card from your little mixer is too HOT as per the VU's on the cassette deck.
3. SIDE NOTE - all your studio monitors should have fast blow fuses in their speaker lines. i recommend this EVEN if the manufacturer built some in as a second line of defense.
If youve set all this procedure up correctly you will now have a nice easy monitoring environment which will allow you to hear yourself playing/recording to the previously recorded tracks in your DAW. its more a concept based on how a lot of big studios do it but in microcosm.
how the idea came about was when i was building a studio once i
was constantly switching on mixer channels and plugging/unplugging because i had limited channels. so i ended up with two mixers.
and this is the ideal situation to think about. one mixer was my recording mixer with mics plugged in permanently to various recording areas/rooms.
so i never had to switch between mic and line again which can cause little pops sometimes.
and a second mixer was set to line (not mic) and was fed by the multitrack to set up monitoring and final mixes on the fly. procedurally the cassette deck or line mixer is a similar concept for a daw.
now if you have a multi output sound card
you could use a line mixer or second mixer to do the same thing,
ie: feed musician cans while recording, and setting up mixes in the control room if you have one. a final tip. some sound cards seem sensitive to plugging/unplugging while they are booted up. do all your connecting business while your PC is off. another tip is when i intially set this up i have a drum machine sending a beat through the recording mixer/PC/output monitoring/
musicians cans till i get everything aligned as a test signal.
this way i can plug headphones in at various points to test signal is getting through the chain.

hope this helps someone out there.
 
hey manning...

... big kudos to you for taking the time to write all these well written, informative threads and articles. your stuff, as well as others have really helped me out. i'm a weird hybrid of someone who has many years of recording and mixing experience as an artist, but i am seriously lacking in the technical arena.
thanks- jv
 
thnx jv. just trying to help folks. if you want to get closer
to that GM sound try this ie : the "old ways".
two guitar amps about 10 feet in front of drums. space the amps laterally 10 feet apart. no mics on drums initially. put a DECENT condenser on each guitar amp. plus a couple of "room mics"
for leakage experimenting.
the guitar amp mics pick up the drums. record bass and keys direct to minimise leakage. overdub vocals later. if you set the positioning of the mics correctly you should get a nice stereo rhythmm bed track. now gradually introduce drum mics and see if mix improves or not. told to me by an old engineer at an audio engineering show once in new york years back.
 
2 questions for you manning.

1. What do you mean by a line mixer?

2. Will this technique with the casette deck let me monitor (while tracking) a mono signal through both channels, not just left or right?
 
answers

yes - bh , it will still work for monitoring assuming the cables are connected. just try it. but remember the quality of the deck is unimportant as your only using it as a level controller.
the big plus is the headphone jack, and the vu's tell you if
your recording too hot into the sound card. all the cassette deck is doing is subbing for vu's we used to have on 2 inch machines
or other multitracks. if you had a multioutput sound card you could even plug in an old tascam 80-8 for level monitoring on 8 channels.
as to question 1. a LINE MIXER amplifies LINE LEVEL signals.
NOT MICS. they are cheap. i think mackie, tascam, fostex used to make them.
many still do. normally you have a volume and pan control on 8 input channels mixing into a stereo bus with even sends on each input channel. eg : adding outboard fx for headfone musician mixes.
 
I am looking for advice regarding hooking up the following items to my computer for recording purposes. I have the following:

Soundblaster Live soundcard
Behringer UB 1002 Mixer
JoeMeek VC3Q Preamp
Zoom RhythmTrak 234 drum machine
Alesis QS6.2 keyboard
Behringer V-Amp2
Shure SM57 mic
AKG D590S mic
Alesis RA100 power amp
Alesis Monitor One Mk2 Monitors

I am wanting to set everything up so that I can minimize plugging and unplugging as I record. I have Cakewalk GT Pro and Cool Edit Pro on my computer.

Thanks for any specific directions you can provide.

-Blacksummerrain
 
Thanks, Manning.

Where does the patchbay go in the chain? Does the patchbay run to the mixer? Do patchbays have both XLR and 1/4 inputs or are separate, specialized patchbays needed? I did a quick search and it appears that they are set up one way or the other but not with both.

Thanks.
 
patch bays

you can get special xlr patch bays made by specialist shops.
thus you can send a mic feed to a different mixer channel.
but its costly. normally now i just hook everything up to tascam patch bays and label using a dymo labeller. .
you can save some jacks . like probably your mixer will always be connected to the sound card line input. as an example.
 
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