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    Looking for a basic PC-less setup for Industrial Metal

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    Hey everyone,

    I am currently hoping to start a project that mixes elements of thrash metal and industrial similar to Fear Factory, Ministry, KMFDM, Godflesh, Cynic etc...

    I am also looking to avoid using a PC. I find my creativity gets sapped and I get too distracted with stuff like video games and social media.

    I don't care about mixing and mastering other than basic volume levels, panning etc.

    The gear I currently have is a Line6 Spider IV amp with a footswitch, and a 7 string Ibanez guitar. I also have a Steinberg CI 1 but I assume that is useless without a PC to plug into. I have been using a speed/pitch shifter app on my phone to practise along with my music collection.

    Anyhow one piece of gear I have been eyeing is the Alesis SR-18. It is on sale at my local music shop and I know that previous versions have been used by Industrial Metal bands.

    So really the only other pieces I am looking for are a multi-track recorder for bass, guitar, keyboard/samples, vocals(maybe), and drums.
    As well as a synth.

    I am on a budget so I am looking into the low to mid range of devices. I may even see if I can get something second hand.

    If anyone can give me any suggestions I would be eternally grateful. There are just so many options and I am feeling overwhelmed. The prices are quite high for a lot of these devices as well. At least for the multi-track recorders. As I said, I am just looking to make some demo albums and see how it goes from there. Nothing like professional studio quality mastering or anything. Actually with the genre I am trying to aim at, having a super polished sound may not be ideal.

    If you read through all of this you are amazing. Thank you.

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    There's lots of stuff like this around -'stand alone recorder/mixers
    Zoom R24 | Sweetwater
    Not so sure how much easier it makes it -recording yes likely, but 'mixing etc, plus running into limitations, unknown 'gotchas'? Stuff you may not know or to ask about until you run into them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixsit View Post
    There's lots of stuff like this around -'stand alone recorder/mixers
    Zoom R24 | Sweetwater
    Not so sure how much easier it makes it -recording yes likely, but 'mixing etc, plus running into limitations, unknown 'gotchas'? Stuff you may not know or to ask about until you run into them.
    You came to a good place.
    Welcome to the journey
    Wow the R24 is really really nice especially for the price. Although, I think I definitely want the SR18 for the drums specifically because it also has an instrument input. I think this will really help with the songwriting process. Then when I have some songs I am happy with I can look at picking up the R24 because I will probably want to start adding in samples, synths, vocals, bass etc... The 24 tracks will become very, very useful.

    The only thing I am thinking is that, let's say I write a few songs using the SR18 and guitar. The guitar is all going to be in my head. So I might want to have something more concrete. Something like a really cheap 4 track. 2 for the drums and 1 for guitar and maybe 1 for bass.

    Anyways I will keep digging. But great suggestion with the R24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGroobster View Post
    ..The only thing I am thinking is that, let's say I write a few songs using the SR18 and guitar. The guitar is all going to be in my head. So I might want to have something more concrete. Something like a really cheap 4 track. 2 for the drums and 1 for guitar and maybe 1 for bass.
    Anyways I will keep digging. But great suggestion with the R24.
    Understand I'm not endorsing it, it's just an example of things one becomes aware of along the way.
    A four track -'something more concrete'?- As in addition to'? Not Shure where you're going there. :>)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixsit View Post
    Understand I'm not endorsing it, it's just an example of things one becomes aware of along the way.
    A four track -'something more concrete'?- As in addition to'? Not Shure where you're going there. :>)
    Haha very punny. What I mean is, I am afraid I will forget my guitar riffs.

    Also, I am just seeing an issue with the SR18. Digital multitrack devices do not seem to have midi IN anymore so syncing the MIDI clock is not going to be an option unless I can find an older device that supports it. That leaves me with 2 options.

    1. Use the L/R out on the SR18 and record the drums into the R24.
    2. Skip the SR18 entirely and just use the R24 to create my own drum loops.

    The more I look into it the more it sense it seems to make to skip the SR18 entirely. It seems like it comes with plenty of drum sounds and it seems like I can add my own drum samples if I want to.

    Programming in double bass seems like it will be a bit of a pain but I wonder if I can program in a basic double bass pattern and use that as a blueprint for future patterns.

    Dude, it seems like you hit the nail right on the head with the R24 the more I look into it.

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    Industrial music tends to have a lot of post processing (and synths), things you'll need a PC for eventually if you want to control how it sounds in the end. Otherwise expect to spend a lot on amps and rack mounted effects. If you're already looking at the price tag for things, then going PC will ultimately be much cheaper (especially when you consider the huge jump in flexibility). If price isn't an issue, then outboard gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    Industrial music tends to have a lot of post processing (and synths), things you'll need a PC for eventually if you want to control how it sounds in the end. Otherwise expect to spend a lot on amps and rack mounted effects. If you're already looking at the price tag for things, then going PC will ultimately be much cheaper (especially when you consider the huge jump in flexibility). If price isn't an issue, then outboard gear.
    Good point. What I might do is get a multi track device to aid in the song writing process. Then when I feel like I really have something worthy, I can possible rent some studio time or even look to collab with someone and hopefully get to sit with them a bit and learn from them.

    The thing about PC is. I have actually had a major problem recently with depression which led me to become addicted to video games. I have recently given my PC to a family member for safekeeping while I recover. So you can see why I am so hesitant to use a PC as my main DAW. But if I rent time at a studio or something I would feel a lot safer. It's like when I was in college. I used to stay at the college if I needed to get work done because I knew if I went home I would never get it done. Unfortunately after college it kind of spiralled out of control over several years. But at least now I am getting lots of support and am well on my way to recovery.

    Oh and another thing I realized about the R24 is that I do not think I can use my Line Out from my Line6 Spider amp because it is a stereo out and the R24 is only taking mono. So I think will have to use the onboard multi-effects. But as this is just for the songwriting process I don't think is too big of a deal.

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    Oh and another thing I realized about the R24 is that I do not think I can use my Line Out from my Line6 Spider amp because it is a stereo out and the R24 is only taking mono. So I think will have to use the onboard multi-effects. But as this is just for the songwriting process I don't think is too big of a deal.
    Two mono tracks. Or, if you're not including stereo FX- just use one out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGroobster View Post
    Good point. What I might do is get a multi track device to aid in the song writing process. Then when I feel like I really have something worthy, I can possible rent some studio time or even look to collab with someone and hopefully get to sit with them a bit and learn from them.

    The thing about PC is. I have actually had a major problem recently with depression which led me to become addicted to video games. I have recently given my PC to a family member for safekeeping while I recover. So you can see why I am so hesitant to use a PC as my main DAW. But if I rent time at a studio or something I would feel a lot safer. It's like when I was in college. I used to stay at the college if I needed to get work done because I knew if I went home I would never get it done. Unfortunately after college it kind of spiralled out of control over several years. But at least now I am getting lots of support and am well on my way to recovery.

    Oh and another thing I realized about the R24 is that I do not think I can use my Line Out from my Line6 Spider amp because it is a stereo out and the R24 is only taking mono. So I think will have to use the onboard multi-effects. But as this is just for the songwriting process I don't think is too big of a deal.
    You are however using a PC to contact HR? I doubt you could do as well on a phone? You can easily defeat network services on a PC so you won't get distracted by the Infernalweb. Games? Well don't load them up? The games built into Windows can be stopped/uninstalled I think. I nave had this HP i3 laptop some 5 years, never even LOOKED at a game much less played one!

    Many people here eschew internet on their main music PC . I think you will struggle with a 'stand alone' recording system, you have already realized that MIDI will be a problem? Others will follow I am sure.

    If you want quality, low latency, super stable drivers, MIDI and Cubase, look at the Native Instruments KA6.

    Dave.

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    Along the same lines as Dave is suggesting, you could use a non-gaming caliber laptop for production. Just needs to be a relatively new (say 3000 series or newer) i5 Intel with 8GB of RAM. SSD drive would help. RAM and SSD are do it yourself upgrades. This way you have the computer power you need without the temptation, or ability to easily upgrade for gaming use.
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