Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 21

Thread: Garage Band Recording Setup? $500 budget

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Posts
    15
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0

    Garage Band Recording Setup? $500 budget

    Sign in to disable this ad
    I just want to thank everyone for the help in my last thread, I love recording music and you guys have helped me tremendously.

    --

    I want to start recording some music with my friends. I'm very new at this, keep in mind.

    We have a guitar, piano, and vocals. So potentially 3 mics needed? Idk
    1 for acoustic guitar
    1 for piano (not electric)
    1 for vocals?

    I have a windows 10 laptop to use to record with Reaper.

    We are just wanting to recording music at a semi decent level, we dont need amps or anything.

    Thanks!

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    northampton uk home of Dr Who and Blackstar Amps!
    Posts
    8,493
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 500 Times in 474 Posts
    Rep Power
    8972962
    This is rather more complex a problem than it first appears but there is a simple solution IF you are all good musicians and can produce a good balance "out in the room" as a performing band. For that you could use just a stereo pair* of mics set up in front of the band. For that setup you just need a matched pair of cardiod mics and an Audio Interface. But, I suspect you are thinking more of miccing up individual instruments and recording to separate tracks?

    The latter would require a 4 mic input AI (no 3 way jobs AFAIK) but in practice you would probably need 2 mics on the piano and acoustic guitar is better done with 2 mics. Will the vocalist be playing either instrument? If so that complicate 'spill'.

    I SHALL get a bit of stick for this but, look at USB mixers, they only render multiple tracks to a pair of stereo tracks but are a lot cheaper than a 4 mic + interface. IF you go mixer though, get a later model that runs a 24bits. Allen & Heath and Souncraft are a good start. IF you can run to a m'track AI the Tascams have ever been excellent VFM.

    *Google 'Co-incident recording'

    Dave.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Posts
    15
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by ecc83 View Post
    This is rather more complex a problem than it first appears but there is a simple solution IF you are all good musicians and can produce a good balance "out in the room" as a performing band. For that you could use just a stereo pair* of mics set up in front of the band. For that setup you just need a matched pair of cardiod mics and an Audio Interface. But, I suspect you are thinking more of miccing up individual instruments and recording to separate tracks?

    The latter would require a 4 mic input AI (no 3 way jobs AFAIK) but in practice you would probably need 2 mics on the piano and acoustic guitar is better done with 2 mics. Will the vocalist be playing either instrument? If so that complicate 'spill'.

    I SHALL get a bit of stick for this but, look at USB mixers, they only render multiple tracks to a pair of stereo tracks but are a lot cheaper than a 4 mic + interface. IF you go mixer though, get a later model that runs a 24bits. Allen & Heath and Souncraft are a good start. IF you can run to a m'track AI the Tascams have ever been excellent VFM.

    *Google 'Co-incident recording'

    Dave.
    First, thanks for helping, it's much appreciated.

    I think we'd want to record the instrumental first and then put headphones on for the vocals. Or what would you recommend? Also, I'm pretty new at this so I'm only catching some of your terminology used. I have the Behringer U-Control UCA222 for my keyboard that got me started with recording, but that only has 1 line in, so I'd definitely need a new interface, any you recommend?

    Like I said, I'm pretty new to this, so I'm open to your techniques or whatever you think would be easiest / work best.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Texas USA
    Posts
    1,143
    Thanks
    90
    Thanked 214 Times in 205 Posts
    Rep Power
    993023
    As @ecc83 says, if you think you'll ever want to record all of you playing/singing at the same time, you'll need an interface with 4 mic preamps (aka pres). The only possible solution that still would leave any money for mics would be in the Behringer U-Phoria line. I have no experience with them but they are popular if for no other reason than price. I believe support is sketchy but they appear to have pretty standard features so setup should be relatively straightforward.

    If you can record each track at a time, e.g., using a click to set the tempo and then mix once you've got them all recorded, you can get by with less mic pres, of course. Still, I've found that it doesn't take much to find 2 pres limiting, so you might consider just saving up a bit to give you that option.

    If you plan to record everything at once, yes, 3 mics minimum. Even instrumentals I'd suggest the same thing, with a single mic on the guitar and a pair on the piano. If you want to record piano and guitar separately, you could get by with 2 mics.

    You should be able to find 2 or 3 mics and an audio interface for less than $500. IMO, everyone likes the one's they've bought so take all recommendations and reviews with some grains of salt, but these are basically commodities at this time, so you can assume the pricing is relatively value-based. Differences in microphones can be significant, though, so look for reviews and recommendations that specifically match your intended uses.
    "... I know in the mornin' that it's gonna be good
    when I stick out my elbows and they don't bump wood." - Bill Kirchen

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    northampton uk home of Dr Who and Blackstar Amps!
    Posts
    8,493
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 500 Times in 474 Posts
    Rep Power
    8972962
    The Behringer AIs are indeed cheap and 'seem' electrically at least, very good but there has recently been a post that suggests that their drivers are poor and latency is high. If you are into the game of track building where you need to record whilst playing back previous takes, you need reasonably low latency.

    This could be a reason against a mixer. My suggestion was based on an 'all in one go' recording (as 'we' used to, nay HAD to do!) . I doubt you will do better for the money than one of the 8 input Tascams.

    Dave.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    345
    Thanks
    8
    Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts
    Rep Power
    334860
    Quote Originally Posted by ecc83 View Post
    I SHALL get a bit of stick for this but, look at USB mixers, they only render multiple tracks to a pair of stereo tracks but are a lot cheaper than a 4 mic + interface. IF you go mixer though, get a later model that runs a 24bits. Allen & Heath and Souncraft are a good start. IF you can run to a m'track AI the Tascams have ever been excellent VFM.
    Yes. No.

    If you stay away from the low-end it seems like a very good idea. But these are a bit pricier than a decent eight-channel interface.

    I really like the Soundcrafts, and these are not expensive, but I've already seen several where the digital effects are kaput. And the same goes for the A&H bottom range. They break easily. Might as well buy a Behringer

    For the price of the Soundcraft EFX8 (250 €), you can also get a Behringer UMC404HD (currently 105 € at Thomann.de), Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 (currently 226 €), an Audient ID14 (229 €), Tascam US4X4 (229 €) or a Steinberg UR44 (269 €).

    All are better quality, will last longer and be easier to unload, once the OP grows out of them.

    If you could go for a Presonus Studio Live (2.200 €), or a Behringer X32 (same price), that would be an entirely different picture.

    My personal choice would be the Audient ID14. Very good sound and expansion via ADAT, if needed. Comes with a license for Eventide, Steinberg, LANDR and Producertech.
    MB Pro, FF400, MKH816, AKG C451-C1/CK8, NT1, B5, MD21, Korg RC168, DEQ830, ADA8000...

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    northampton uk home of Dr Who and Blackstar Amps!
    Posts
    8,493
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 500 Times in 474 Posts
    Rep Power
    8972962
    I bow to your experience Cyrano.

    Sweetwater have the Tascam US-16 08 at $300 and I doubt you will do better at that money. That is the 'Gen 2' device. The old 8 mic Tascam interface was the only budget m'track interface in town for many years but I read little to nothing bad about it. Might want to budget for a Behringer headphone amp!

    Dave.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Lowell Street Studio, New England
    Posts
    11,669
    Thanks
    19
    Thanked 489 Times in 465 Posts
    Rep Power
    18182388
    Let me give a different option - I do agree about getting an interface with 4 mic preamps, though.

    1) I don't think you really need to use 2 mics on an acoustic guitar for your use. it's really good to do when the acoustic guitar is the only instrument in the mix, but not when there are other instruments.
    2) It's hard to mic an acoustic piano to get an even balance of tones, which is why people are suggesting 2 mics for it.

    So for 1), you can't beat the Tascam 4x4 for $200 TASCAM US-4x4 USB 2.0 Audio Interface | Sweetwater
    For 2) - 3 mics, I'd suggest 1 SDC (small diaphragm condensor) for the guitar and 2 LDCs (large diaphragm condensors ) for the piano, which can also be used for vocals. You really don't want to skimp on mics at this stage, so if you find yourself running short on cash, consider just one LDC to start out with, then add the 2nd one later. You may be able to find a good deal on used mics on ebay, so search there. I picked up my AKG P220 at just over half price, and it was barely used.
    SDC: AKG P170 $100: AKG P170 | Sweetwater
    LDC: AKG P120 $100 AKG P120 Large-Diaphragm Condenser Microphone | Sweetwater

    Of course you just hit your $500 budget, still need mic cables and stands (do you already have headphones?) And you're going to want monitors (for listening back without headphones, and for mixing.
    Mike B My new album on CD Baby: Fact and Fiction
    My Bandcamp site: http://mikebirchmusic.bandcamp.com

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Posts
    15
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by mjbphotos View Post
    Let me give a different option - I do agree about getting an interface with 4 mic preamps, though.

    1) I don't think you really need to use 2 mics on an acoustic guitar for your use. it's really good to do when the acoustic guitar is the only instrument in the mix, but not when there are other instruments.
    2) It's hard to mic an acoustic piano to get an even balance of tones, which is why people are suggesting 2 mics for it.

    So for 1), you can't beat the Tascam 4x4 for $200 TASCAM US-4x4 USB 2.0 Audio Interface | Sweetwater
    For 2) - 3 mics, I'd suggest 1 SDC (small diaphragm condensor) for the guitar and 2 LDCs (large diaphragm condensors ) for the piano, which can also be used for vocals. You really don't want to skimp on mics at this stage, so if you find yourself running short on cash, consider just one LDC to start out with, then add the 2nd one later. You may be able to find a good deal on used mics on ebay, so search there. I picked up my AKG P220 at just over half price, and it was barely used.
    SDC: AKG P170 $100: AKG P170 | Sweetwater
    LDC: AKG P120 $100 AKG P120 Large-Diaphragm Condenser Microphone | Sweetwater

    Of course you just hit your $500 budget, still need mic cables and stands (do you already have headphones?) And you're going to want monitors (for listening back without headphones, and for mixing.
    Thanks so much for helping me out with this, I think I'm finally getting a picture of how I want it all setup.

    So right now, I'm looking at getting something like this:Audio interface:
    Behringer U-Phoria UMC404HD Audio Interface OR TASCAM US-4x4 USB 2.0 Audio Interface ??

    Mics:
    2x AKG P120 - LDC
    1x APG P170 - SDC

    And then of course a bunch of cables and stands to hold them all.

    To answer your questions, I have a bluetooth headset for listening and a nice laptop with windows 10 to use Reaper on (Or whichever program you think).

    Also, wouldnt I need 3 LDC? 2 for piano and 1 for vocal?

    Basically I want to cover my ass whichever way I do it. Whether we want to record the track, and record vocals later (Im worried about lag kinda) or if we want to record it all in one go, I want it get enough equipment I could do it either way.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    northampton uk home of Dr Who and Blackstar Amps!
    Posts
    8,493
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 500 Times in 474 Posts
    Rep Power
    8972962
    I don't want to add to your confusion but, if an 'ensemble' recording is something you would like to try the Rode M5 matched pairs are the same money $200 as two P170s. I have two (not matched) P150s which seem fine, slightly earlier version of the 170. Rode do however have a very good name for their mics.
    I know the 'bit at a time' technique is the way it is done these days but a good band playing together has a 'vibe' it is hard to capture any other way.

    "Lag" ? Yes, this bothers me about the Behringers (wish TF some decent mag would review them!). If you CAN run to the Tascam I would do so. I am sure you will find Bluetooth to have far too much latency.

    Cables, don't pay silly money. In fact for short runs (<20mtrs) you can buy really cheap XLR cables off the web. Better, mid priced wires will last longer, especially if you ever gig, but won't sound any better. Can anyone in the band solder? If you do go 4 mics or more a 50mtr drum of cables and 8 plugs will give you some savings. Not a lot but you WILL find you need all sorts as you go along (TRS, TS guitar) and there are ALWAYS repairs!

    And, listen to Mike! He is DA MAN.

    Dave.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Recently got an iPad...anyone recording on one w/ Garage Band?
    By Ricklh in forum Digital Recording & Computers
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 02-13-2013, 09:15
  2. Garage band stereo recording
    By fpiro07 in forum Newbies
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 12-27-2012, 15:49
  3. Recording a band in a garage...
    By xav295 in forum Recording Techniques
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 02-11-2011, 13:38
  4. IMac G5 Garage Band Recording
    By Amped6 in forum Digital Recording & Computers
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 06-20-2006, 22:27
  5. Garage Band Live Recording
    By PowerCouple in forum MP3 Mixing Clinic
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 03-13-2002, 12:52

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •