Soulful rock ballad V.2
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Need to take a look at the relative levels of the vocals and guitars especially. At times the vocal seems too loud, then it's the guitars that are too loud. The vocal isn't really sitting in the mix as well as it could, especially in the first verse. It's loud and dry. From that point on, it's the guitars that start to get too loud. During the buildup to the chorus, you've got a loud and boomy (in my listening environment) rhythm guitar on the right. During the chorus and outro, those guitars doing that riff are overpowering the vocal. The solo guitar is very loud for being panned out so far right. I'd lower the level, bring it in, or both. There's some odd panning going on with those guitars at a couple of points in the song. They seem to migrate around the stereo spectrum, or maybe that's one guitar dropping out and another one coming in panned differently. Anyway, I'm not crazy about the effect.
Good performances and tones. Are you the singer?
Good performances and tones. Are you the singer?
Haha! So you aren't fond of the mix. 
I cant tell anymore, been fucking around with it for so long. Panning is intentional. I want the motion in the stereo field. Different guitar parts and everything is mixed LRC. Are you talking about the outro solo? That's in the right channel.
Nah, not the singer. I just do the guitars and bass.
Thanks for the listen.
I cant tell anymore, been fucking around with it for so long. Panning is intentional. I want the motion in the stereo field. Different guitar parts and everything is mixed LRC. Are you talking about the outro solo? That's in the right channel.Nah, not the singer. I just do the guitars and bass.
Thanks for the listen.
Bubba po
Tiny Stonehenge Moment
The performances in this song for the most part sound good. The right-hand guitar when it comes in is too loud. Likewise, when the left-hand guitar follows it up, that's too loud as well. You really need to sort out the low-end weight of the instruments relative to each other. The drum kit needs more weight, as does the bass.
As I'm typing this and listening to the track, my earlier misgivings are amplified by ten times as the guitars that were originally too loud ramp up to really outrageous levels. Just completely out there and wrong. Pull the guitars back, they're killing the whole thing.
As I'm typing this and listening to the track, my earlier misgivings are amplified by ten times as the guitars that were originally too loud ramp up to really outrageous levels. Just completely out there and wrong. Pull the guitars back, they're killing the whole thing.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Finish adding all the instruments/tracks you plan to...and then consider mix changes.
I've used Hammond organ (alas, I only have an L-series, no B3
) on a bunch of songs, and if you let it fill out the image, it also has an effect on the perceived levels of other tracks because organ has that constant vibrato thing, and it can change your mix perception even when the organ isn't cranking.
Otherwise...levels and panning to me aren't that much of a big issue...I think that stuff is easy enough for you to sort out...but overall the tones were pretty good for that style of music.
I've used Hammond organ (alas, I only have an L-series, no B3
) on a bunch of songs, and if you let it fill out the image, it also has an effect on the perceived levels of other tracks because organ has that constant vibrato thing, and it can change your mix perception even when the organ isn't cranking.Otherwise...levels and panning to me aren't that much of a big issue...I think that stuff is easy enough for you to sort out...but overall the tones were pretty good for that style of music.
Per suggestion , I pulled all the guitars down.
You know what that did? It took all the balls out of the song. Also, it left me with too loud of a bass and kick drum, not to mention overpowering vocals. Eeek!! Sounded like shit!
Then pulled those down a bit and ended up pretty much right back where I started only with a lower master level.
You know what that did? It took all the balls out of the song. Also, it left me with too loud of a bass and kick drum, not to mention overpowering vocals. Eeek!! Sounded like shit!
Then pulled those down a bit and ended up pretty much right back where I started only with a lower master level.
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
Well, I think this sounds pretty good. I was reading some of the comments from the original mix while listening and I don't hear those issues here, so I'm thinking you made substantial adjustments to levels and such? Drums seem sufficiently strong, as does the bass. I like the guitar levels here. That opening bluesy little wing-ish riff that returns later is cool. I like the tone there.
I'm listening on my tracking phones (HD280's), and the singer's voice sounds almost like there's some slight phaser or flanger effect going on? It almost sounds like the vocal track is from a live bar room or something, but without tons of roominess if that makes any sense. I dunno, there was something about the vocal tone that threw me off a little.
Good performances, and the mix is pretty decent for this style I think. Again, I didn't hear your first mix, but am assuming this is quite different based on the comments. A classic, swirly rock organ would work well here I think to fill in some of the space.
I'm listening on my tracking phones (HD280's), and the singer's voice sounds almost like there's some slight phaser or flanger effect going on? It almost sounds like the vocal track is from a live bar room or something, but without tons of roominess if that makes any sense. I dunno, there was something about the vocal tone that threw me off a little.
Good performances, and the mix is pretty decent for this style I think. Again, I didn't hear your first mix, but am assuming this is quite different based on the comments. A classic, swirly rock organ would work well here I think to fill in some of the space.
Ahah! Some friendly comments.
Thanks.
This is remixed from the version that people commeted on but the levels are not hugely different.
For me, this song has been kicking my ass!!!
It has been up on my desk (daw) for over a month!!!. Why you may ask?
Well I'm using it to teach myself protools. I have an analog (tape to console with outboard) mix that I'm reall happy with. But without vocals. And on that initial mix the beefy loud chorus guitars just sound huge!
With the daw mix and vocals, im having to dial down the guitars, and to be honest i miss the beefiness.
Speaking of the vocal i ran that through a plug called 'Nectar Elements' it gave it a bit of delay/doubling. I dialed it way back, but it may still be a bit much.
The intro guitar (s) was just direct into the console to tape. Once in the daw, I then duplicated the track, did a slight flange on one side, ran the other track through sansamp a bit grittier with some delay.
We'll see what goes on once some keys get recorded. That might fuck me up even more! Lol
Anyway, this is what you get when climbing the hill of the learning curve of protools.
Thanks for listening!
Thanks.
This is remixed from the version that people commeted on but the levels are not hugely different.
For me, this song has been kicking my ass!!!
It has been up on my desk (daw) for over a month!!!. Why you may ask?
Well I'm using it to teach myself protools. I have an analog (tape to console with outboard) mix that I'm reall happy with. But without vocals. And on that initial mix the beefy loud chorus guitars just sound huge!
With the daw mix and vocals, im having to dial down the guitars, and to be honest i miss the beefiness.
Speaking of the vocal i ran that through a plug called 'Nectar Elements' it gave it a bit of delay/doubling. I dialed it way back, but it may still be a bit much.
The intro guitar (s) was just direct into the console to tape. Once in the daw, I then duplicated the track, did a slight flange on one side, ran the other track through sansamp a bit grittier with some delay.
We'll see what goes on once some keys get recorded. That might fuck me up even more! Lol
Anyway, this is what you get when climbing the hill of the learning curve of protools.
Thanks for listening!
heatmiser
mr. green christmas
You're welcome! I saw you sliding off the first page which is basically like a death sentence here. lol
Every remix deserves some input.
Interesting that you did all of that on that opening riff. It's cool that you duped it, added effects, panning, etc., because on phones, I would've believed that it was simply guitar>amp>mic. I like it when people do extra work behind the scenes that comes across as seamless. Well done.
Nectar Elements is a weird name for a plug. It suggests absolutely nothing musical...so vague lol. I didn't care for it, but that may just be me.
From what I know of it, protools is waaay beyond me. I'll stick with notools, thanks.
Every remix deserves some input.
Interesting that you did all of that on that opening riff. It's cool that you duped it, added effects, panning, etc., because on phones, I would've believed that it was simply guitar>amp>mic. I like it when people do extra work behind the scenes that comes across as seamless. Well done.
Nectar Elements is a weird name for a plug. It suggests absolutely nothing musical...so vague lol. I didn't care for it, but that may just be me.
From what I know of it, protools is waaay beyond me. I'll stick with notools, thanks.
Hey, thanks for the ears. I know, there's something bugging me about the vocals too.
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Thanks!
The guitar that you liked was a case of less is more. Yeah, there was verb, delay, and flanging on the two duplicate tracks but it was so subtle that you couldnt really hear it, but it would sound way different if it wasn't there. Lesson learned
No i just gotta learn that on the vocal processing.
From what I've heard and read, the Nectar plugs are pretty good and very powerful.
I just gotta figure out how to best use it.
When you say 'notools' does that mean you are doing analog?
I love working on a console rather than a mouse and screen. But the capabilites are so much more than I could ever do with tape.
Even though Im just learning, some of the editing I did on this track would be damn near impossible for me to do on tape, or take forever. Plus you can't fuck up. It's all reversable. Not like having tape on the floor and you going whoops. Lol.
