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    making the bass prominent?

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    ok... so i've been recording off and on for about 2 years now, but i only know what i know from experimenting and reading online eq tips and stuff (which isnt always the best advice)
    i'm finally getting my mixes a little clearer, however, the kick drum and bass guitar arent as prominent as i would like them to be. heres a song as an example of what im talking about: Be With You
    the bass has a boost at 100hz and some boosts in the mid range, as well as a boost at around 2.5Khz. the kick has a boos at 80, the mid is scooped out and then another boost at 4khz. now how do i make it so you can hear the bass and kick, and not bass out normal speakers?

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    Cool

    As a whole, I thought everything else in the mix sounded pretty decently mixed. But, the overall "bass" in the track was lacking, kick and bass. (listening on average computer speakers with no sub). With that in mind, why not bring everything else "down" in the mix instead of bringing the bass up ? This might be an easy way to do what you are looking for.

    What you are monitoring on may be a problem for evaluating good bass (I wish I had brought in my AKG headphones). What is your set up ?

    While 80 Hz adds some low ooomf to the kick, it might not be where the majority of your meat is for your kick drum. It seems you are looking for some punch and more definition to the kick. Try some higher frequencies above 80 Hz. You might want to bring in a low shelf around 60 (low presence) and a gentle boost at the meat, i.e., 125-200 Hz (kicking). Find the bip, where-ever that is. So it seems a 3 band eq is what you want for the bass.

    Use a Q of say 1, and roll it around to find where your meat is, and where the click or bip of the kick is as well, and what low roll off gives you that low bass presence.

    Fool around with some compression on the kick track too. You might find that some good compression evens it all out and adds punch.

    Once you get the kick right. Try seating the bass guitar in with it.

    I have not done enough of this myself, but these are the things I would be trying.

    I thought your snare was a little meaty, so you may want to do a low cut on it, and that might help from eating some of lows in your track.
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    I have a Layla 24/96 going to a behringer 2222FX-pro mixer ( i know i know some of you guys hate behringer, but hey, i havent really had any beef with it) and my monitors are behringer TRUTHs 2031p
    and thank you for the advice i'll have to try that all out and see if it works for me

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    How are you recording the Bass guitar?

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    oh i have compressed the kick but im never sure abuot what kind of ratio i should put on that or the bass, i usually end upt with about a 8:1 ratio on kick and the bass varies per song with me with both the ratio and attack.. and i have a hpf on the snare around 125, should i bring it up higher than that?

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    i've been recording bass straight through a d.i. ive been considering micing his amp, but ive had some bad experiences with that... it always seems to sound like its playing inside a tin can

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    Bass Frequencies

    Here is the frequency chart for bass notes and their next 3 harmonics

    E1 - 41, 82, 123, 164

    A1 - 55, 110, 165, 220

    D2 - 74, 148, 222, 296

    G2 - 98, 196, 294, 392

    So, your boost at 100 Hz, is really boosting all the lowest fundamental notes of the bass guitar. That might be a good reason why your bass guitar does not have a lot of definition.

    Definition can be had by trying boosts at the higher octaves. Also, it depends on your Q (low being wide and pulls up more surrounding frequencies, high being very narrow and pulls up less surrounding frequenices).

    Given the chart above, trying some wider Q boosts around 200 Hz and that should bring in the higher "low" harmonics, and more bass definition.

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    excellent, thanks a lot!
    ill go out to the studio and try that in a few minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahuebel
    oh i have compressed the kick but im never sure abuot what kind of ratio i should put on that or the bass, i usually end upt with about a 8:1 ratio on kick and the bass varies per song with me with both the ratio and attack.. and i have a hpf on the snare around 125, should i bring it up higher than that?
    Compression is a matter of taste. If it sounds better when it is on, then when it is bypassed, then go with it.

    125 Hz, is some meaty snare. Yes, definitely try a higher roll off. The snare is not meant to be bassy. Try a gentle roll off somewhere starting somewhere between 250 and 500 Hz. See what a mild 1000Hz boost does for your snare. Should give it more pop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahuebel
    i've been recording bass straight through a d.i. ive been considering micing his amp, but ive had some bad experiences with that... it always seems to sound like its playing inside a tin can
    A good high quality D.I. should be all you need. You can try micing it, and have that as your second track, then you can mix the best aspects of each. I have found that a good mic'd bass cab has more low presence, and the D.I. part has more of the higher harmonics. BUT, be careful of phase problems if you are going to do this. Check the waveforms, and match up the delay you are going to get from the mic'ed track compared to the earlier D.I. signal. This way, you can mix them without phase cancellation problems.

    Is the guy playing an "active" bass ? If so, then a passive d.i. box, if not, you may try a good quality active d.i. box. Also, if the bass is active or you are using an active D.I. check to make sure you have fresh batteries !
    Last edited by sushi-mon; 02-14-2006 at 15:31.

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