Where exactly have I said that someone's advice won't work? Get back in your box with your normalize button.
... ok. So lets assume that normalize is not what I'm going to do. Actually thinking about it, that still wouldn't get me to where I need to be because the 4 and 5 part harmonys will need different volumes on different parts any way.
I'll come clean. This project was sung in different stages, on different days, examined and the part that were too rough gone over again. So (for example) one out of the four parts of a harmony may have a quiet first line, and loud second line and a medium third line.
It's actually not as bad you *could* imagine but the above issue does exist and If I have to address the problem in one bar or the whole song, I still need a method.
Currently I have 10 vocal tracks. I could probably do it with 5 but this would take more automation and mucking around and PC resources isn't my limitation so....
Mr Clean, "You could cut up all the vocal tracks into bits and automate the volumes of each bit in turn to get an average level throughout". I think this was my go to method, except I wasn't going to cut anything, just Volume automate (Cubase) each part until it sounds balanced. Loooooong process though.
Gonzo, if I group into Soft and loud, I'll still have to mix each line of vocals so the harmony sounds balanced - so I may as well not group because a soft part might actually be needing to stay soft for that bit? I dunno.
Mr Clean "I cut tracks up because it is easier for my workflow. Especially in Reaper. If the first word of a line is too high, cut it after and reduce the volume of that slice.". So, you edit the WAV file and make a permanent dB adjustment? I don't use Reaper.
Whatever I end up doing, I'm (obviously) tryinbg to make it so that I don't have to go back and adjust balances again.
...Oh, and reading back my original post, I don't know about hte EQ. If I balance all these volumes and then apply EQ, will I have to balance again?
So options are
EQ individual tracks, then balance volumes, then group for mixing.
Balance volumes (to get rough mix), EQ them, then balance again?
anyways.... you have 10 vocal tracks.... a capella? is this a choir type setting? full music?
basically each vocal range should be "one" track... make each track of a particular vocal range and adjust the individual volume of each take to make it sound like 1 consistent take... if it doesnt sound like 1 consistent take then .... good luck fixing it without retracking.... if its a question of dynamics, that what compression is for.
the 2 tools you want to even them out is automation and compression.
Normalizing could work because it takes the highest peak of a track and brings it to the hottest level it can get to without clipping, so if the track is broken up correctly, then normalizing can achieve what your doing.
Normalizing got a bad name from 90's music... everything was normalized and over compressed and limited and raised the floor noise and blagh.... but thats not to say normalizing is always bad, as i stated before it can be a useful tool if used correctly... however its rarely reached for in my case. and as stated before nothing is permanent or irreversible.
is it possible for you to bounce the part so we can hear it?
if you want you can send me the tracks and i can run them through melodyne... which allows you to adjust the volume of each transient individually (along with correcting pitch if necessary or desired)
this is definitely something that you can fix... rather easily
reaper when you split a file, you can adjust the volume of the split clip with the mouse pointer at the top of it, click and pull down. It shows you the volume change on the wave as you do it. Does Cubase have a similar thing? Item processing? Trim for clips? I've not used Cubase in years so I have no idea.
If you were to do something like this with lines of a song, rather than single words, it could be quite quick. Single words however would take an awful long time.
Personally, I would get the levels sorted before EQ.
balance multi part vocals. I have to do this with or without Normalizing, and after the heate discussions I'll assume that it's something you only go to ifd you have to, ir if it really solves your problems.
I can do the adjust of volumes etc. I have mixed down multiparts before with success (depending on your standard of quality of course).
.. and yes I could bounce a sample for you, and I'd be happy to but as you see from above, it'd be a big job to get a bounced, "rough-in" track to post.
I'd be doing ok on my own, thank you. The method of a few years ago would be to start at one and and finish at the other and spend an enoumous amount of time and pain getting the finaol outcome right, usually at the expense of audio quality and final result.
This post is all about best method to minimise the pain and maximise results, since there are many more parts than usual to deal with.
Oh.... and the EQ question, and when I apply it.
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