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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_L View Post
    I have a proven formula based off studying numerous albums. You can do a search for it if you're interested. It's in here somewhere.
    Yeah, but your formula has a space for the listener to flip over the record, ya dinosaur!

    Really, the most important song is the first one. You need a hook that will grab the listener's attention right away. Then the next two songs need to also be great to keep their attention.
    I think the tendency is for the fourth song to be very different - often much softer - than the first 3. That's probably something to be wary of since it can set the tone for the rest of the album. Listeners might feel like it's a bait-and-switch and sour on the rest of the album.
    Then, of course, the last song should *actually* be the best song on the album, but unmarketable for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VomitHatSteve View Post
    Yeah, but your formula has a space for the listener to flip over the record, ya dinosaur!
    Lol. I do think of it that way. I order my songs with the idea that if it were on a record there'd be a side 1 and a side 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VomitHatSteve View Post
    Really, the most important song is the first one. You need a hook that will grab the listener's attention right away. Then the next two songs need to also be great to keep their attention.
    Although maybe true from a sales/statistics standpoint, I think this is a point of view that sells the listener short, and it's popularity has made most internet releases to sound similar to each other. I know for myself, I always notice when someone breaks that formula and puts a weird/challenging piece out front, and I usually respect the artist a little more for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_fleet View Post
    Although maybe true from a sales/statistics standpoint, I think this is a point of view that sells the listener short, and it's popularity has made most internet releases to sound similar to each other. I know for myself, I always notice when someone breaks that formula and puts a weird/challenging piece out front, and I usually respect the artist a little more for it.
    But we're not marketing our music for each other. WE all know what's up, THEY don't. So you play by their rules/subconscious designs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_L View Post
    Then there'd never be any albums.
    Stole my answer.

    There's always material left over that might not be the best track or is too experimental in our minds to serve as the opening/best track, but that still has some redeeming quality to it.
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    honestly, now that everyone just releases singles and remixes, album order is a lost art.
    start the album with a very high-energy song. this could be your main single, but if your 'hit' happens to be a bit more chill, use a different song with a lot of energy.
    the main single is often put at #3. this is because everyone knows that song, that's why they bought the album. putting at in 3rd place gets people to listen to 2 more of your songs first and may broaden their experience of you as an artist.
    the last song should always be as low-energy as possible. you want to slowly drift off into the night, plus you should have already used all your power ballads at the beginning.
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    Cars, Candy O, best song on the album (OK, but a good song), Dangerous Type, that was a great way to end an album to me.

    I think song order is/was really an art for many albums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joejohnstun View Post
    the last song should always be as low-energy as possible. you want to slowly drift off into the night,
    No.

    plus you should have already used all your power ballads at the beginning.
    What if there are no power ballads because it's not 1986 anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_L View Post
    What if there are no power ballads because it's not 1986 anymore?
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