ericeholtz
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Hello,
I am hoping to find clarification regarding what happens to a 24bit file each time it is saved and re-saved after editing using a 32bit (float) DAW. I am not mixing in a multitrack environment, but editing the actual waveform. The sources I work with are primarily LP (or 78) records, cassettes, and reel-to-reel.
My typical workflow for an LP record for example:
1. Record source at 24bit/88.2kHz/-15dB-12dB dBFS as one file per side of source; save copies as-is across multiple external hard drives.
2. Apply amplitude (clip gain) globally to both files, ensuring level consistency between both sides, and with that of the original source.
Save each as "...24-88_EDITS_01".
3. Open each "EDITS_01" and manually remove obvious clicks and pops, then apply light declicking - Save.
Note: I try to avoid adding EQ to a record, as I am not trying to remaster it, only clean it up.
4. Apply track markers - Save. Export track markers as 24/88.2 files - Save.
5. Export track markers as 16/44.1 with triangular dither for CD.
As you can see, there is a great deal of saving going on. Since my DAW (Audition CS6) does all of its internal processing at 32bit (float), what happens to the 24bit file at each stage when I repeatedly edit and save it? Remember, I am working directly on the files themselves (Waveform editor) and not working in a multitrack, mixing situation.
I thought I should only dither once, when going to 16bit. I've read some state that dither should be applied at each step when saving the 24bit file, since it is going from the internal processing of 32bit float to 24bit integer. I've also experimented with recording the original sources as 32bit (float)/88.2 files. Would using them throughout the editing process alleviate any conversion at each save? I've also read that the DAW will apply dither to the 32 bit float file before being sent to the 24bit converter.
Any thoughts, tips, and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Eric
I am hoping to find clarification regarding what happens to a 24bit file each time it is saved and re-saved after editing using a 32bit (float) DAW. I am not mixing in a multitrack environment, but editing the actual waveform. The sources I work with are primarily LP (or 78) records, cassettes, and reel-to-reel.
My typical workflow for an LP record for example:
1. Record source at 24bit/88.2kHz/-15dB-12dB dBFS as one file per side of source; save copies as-is across multiple external hard drives.
2. Apply amplitude (clip gain) globally to both files, ensuring level consistency between both sides, and with that of the original source.
Save each as "...24-88_EDITS_01".
3. Open each "EDITS_01" and manually remove obvious clicks and pops, then apply light declicking - Save.
Note: I try to avoid adding EQ to a record, as I am not trying to remaster it, only clean it up.
4. Apply track markers - Save. Export track markers as 24/88.2 files - Save.
5. Export track markers as 16/44.1 with triangular dither for CD.
As you can see, there is a great deal of saving going on. Since my DAW (Audition CS6) does all of its internal processing at 32bit (float), what happens to the 24bit file at each stage when I repeatedly edit and save it? Remember, I am working directly on the files themselves (Waveform editor) and not working in a multitrack, mixing situation.
I thought I should only dither once, when going to 16bit. I've read some state that dither should be applied at each step when saving the 24bit file, since it is going from the internal processing of 32bit float to 24bit integer. I've also experimented with recording the original sources as 32bit (float)/88.2 files. Would using them throughout the editing process alleviate any conversion at each save? I've also read that the DAW will apply dither to the 32 bit float file before being sent to the 24bit converter.
Any thoughts, tips, and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Eric
