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Man, this is a fun thread to read. Lots of Hater-ade drinkers. ;-)
Hater-ade. Good one.
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Man, this is a fun thread to read. Lots of Hater-ade drinkers. ;-)
Yes, but earlier you said this: -
My post illustrates how this isn't true.
Back to the discussion though, to compare building a computer yourself to a professionally built computer sold retail, whether it is price wise, build quality, or any other comparison isn't comparing apples to apples (hahahaha!!!!) If you were to compare a PRODUCTION PC, with SERVER GRADE not CONSUMER GRADE components to a PRODUCTION Mac, you would have two similar machines at nearly the same price point, in two very different cases. Now, if you want to compare what you can build on your own, whether it be Mac or PC, again, same machine, same price point. Arguing that would be retarded as those are facts. The point where everything goes to shit is when each of the computers boots up to either windows or OSX, thus the birth of the hackintosh... It really depends on which operating system you want to run at the end of the day. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a demo of a dope ass VST and googled it ready for download only to find out it is PC only. That being said, I will still never go back to PC, not even as a second machine. Nor will I pollute my Mac by making it a dual boot system, as they have now developed cross over virus'.
Okay, if you want to get into it...
Four of your other "examples" involved trouble (latency and drop outs) with the Focusrite Scarlett interface. Guess what? If you got to the Apple Support Communities, they have a two page thread about Mac users having EXACTLY the same problem, including Focusrite acknowledging the issue and offering a suggested fix. Check HERE if you don't believe me.
On a general Google search for "Problems using Macs for audio" I received 393,000,000 hits. No, I haven't read them all but they seem to span the same range of things as Windows queries. I'm a regular over on the Adobe Audition User Forums and there's certainly no shortage of Mac-based queries. If anything, we get more than we should expect considering the relatively small user base out of machines out there.
Speaking of which, my figure of 12% of computers in use being Apple came after some Googling. Figures ranged from 9% to 15% but several sites (and the most recently dated ones) mentioned the 12% figure so I used it. Note that this figure is for desktops and laptops; tablets are not included. Some of the sites I mentioned were the US market, others were the world market but differences were relatively small. Here's a chart from the OSX Daily website giving individual stats for every world region. It's about the most "pro mac" of all the sets of numbers I found:
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Anyway, I hope you're not going to try and tell us that the Apple market penetration is anywhere near that of Windows?
Regarding upgrades, it's rather disingenuous of you to criticise Windows for upgrade related problems then admit that you deliberately put off upgrades to avoid exactly the same sort of problems on Mac.
To end with my own experience of using Windows based computers, prior to retirement I was Vice President Technical Operations and Engineering for a TV and Audio facility in London. We had three studios, 16 non linear edit suites, a radio news operation with 18 software "seats", a main newsroom with approximately 35 computers plus all the usual office machines. All together, we had just under 400 computers if you include servers. Every one was a Windows based machine.
Even with that number we had practically no software-based issues. Our IT and maintenance department were far more likely to be swapping faulty monitors or working on the TV equipment that worked alongside the computers. FYI, we depreciated out computers over a five year service life and managed to get away with this.
Hipsters are more likely to use Macs and churn out bad folk tunes whilst stroking their wispy beards, so I'm sticking with PC...
The next big thing will be DNA memory, where you get a USB 3/fork connection and stab yourself every time you want to record.... which will be interesting as that's what my vocals already sound like....
You heard it here first.
Bobbsy, interesting figures. I would never claim that Apple computers themselves hold a greater market share than PCs. I did some research myself before responding to your last post, and the figures I found were a bit different. It is pretty much impossible to nail down exact numbers, but from my research I have found that the Mac figure is somewhere between 12-25% give or take which doesn't take into account how long the users are retaining their computers on either side. The only solid figure I found on retention was Mac users keeping their machines up to and around 50% longer than PC users. But as I only saw this on one site, I am not quoting it as fact.
Just to be sure I'm understanding you, you are going to 'debunk' the FACT that server grade components cost more than consumer grade components, please do get bored!! I have to clock my 8 hours tomorrow in corporate land and surely could use a hearty laugh when I get home. Can't wait.
'There is no fool more ignorant, than the fool who will argue facts.'
Hipsters are more likely to use Macs and churn out bad folk tunes whilst stroking their wispy beards, so I'm sticking with PC...
Im almost too embarrassed to open viao in the local coffee hangout
You should be embarassed just to be in a coffee hangout.
Unless it's Peet's. Macs are unto Starbacks as PC's are unto Peet's. The cool crowd.
Regardless of what you think, your time isn't free.
Maybe that relates to the original question, 'why do macs seem to be popular in music production'.
Whether you think it's true or not, the idea that macs occupy less of your time fiddling with things probably contributes to their popularity in professional environments.
A lot of people just want something that works, and whether true or not, apple just fits that bill for them.
I count swapping every USB and reinstalling drivers as part of the creative process