The dangers of a bad power supply...

Sometimes the hardest problems to diagnose are your own. If somebody had posted this to the forum here I would've responded instantly with "check your power supply!"

When I built my wife's computer, we got some case off eBay with a 300W power supply that was supposedly Athlon rated. I never really checked it out honestly, but I did make sure it said 300W on the label.

Anyway, her machine has always had strange problems. She went through 2 CDROM drives in about a year, and lost one hard drive. I initially thought the hard drive puked because it was on the promise controller of her Asus motherboard, and I've seen controller/hard drive problems several times in the past. When we replaced her drive, I stuck it on the regular VIA controller and called it good. No problems after that for a long long time.

Then last week she starts having problems copying files. Explorer would lock up and shit. I thought maybe she was just being impatient and didn't pay enough attention (she works with massive image files). Then suddenly on friday, the dreaded "invalid boot device" blue screen (win2k). I pulled the machine apart and stuck my head in it to listen to the drive, and sure enough it was making some nasty "clicks" and "screaching" sounds. Fudge!

Initially I thought it might just be the drive, but this was just too much. So I stuck the drive into my machine and did a couple runs of a chkdisk on it with the surface scan. The drive reported a couple bad sectors but otherwise ran totally fine...quiet, no problems. I've seen false bad sector reports before on drives that weren't damaged, so I was (and am) skeptical that the drive itself is bad. I stuck it back in her machine with MY power supply and voila, it booted right up, no problems. Ran a few more long checks on the drive and they came back clean.

Be warned. Strange problems with drives, USB devices (she couldn't boot with certain USB devices attached), and various instability (rebooting, etc) can often be attributed to the power supply. Also listen for noises coming from the supply when you're working it. I had a power supply once that would emit a high pitched squeal when I'd play games or even just scroll a window. It died after a few months of that. Usually when a power supply dies it just stops working altogether (won't power up) and doesn't really do any damage. In situations like my wife's, however, they can be quite dangerous.

Be leary of cheap power supplies. The power supply in her machine weighed just a few ounces. Absolutely cheap crap. A good power supply will have a nice weight to it. Buy name brand if possible. I'm replacing hers with a 300W Enermax with dual fans and adjustable fan speed for pseudo-noiseless operation...$48.

(BTW, her system is just a Duron 866/133 with 512MB of PC133, one hard drive, geforce2 graphics, one CDROM drive, on an Asus A7V133 motherboard. Not exactly a system that should be hard on a decent 300W supply.)

Slackmaster 2000
 
Yep.. My internet PC requires a special boot procedure: push the power button (PC fires up) and hold it for some seconds (PC stops), wait 2 seconds and push the power button again, and tadaaa ... it comes to life !
Replaced the PSU with an Enermax (130 €~$ :( ) and my troubles went away.
(too bad I built a second, dedicated, DAW-PC so I needed the crappy PSU again for the net-box)

BTW the crappy one was Aopen 300W, but as you said, the difference in weight between the two is incredible. Next time I buy a PSU I'm gonna need to know its weight :D


Herwig
 
Hehe, people laugh sometimes when I mention the weight of a power supply...but it's true! A supply that feels cheap is going to let you down!

Slackmaster 2000
 
i read an article about the weight of the power supply showing it's good. it said it was something to do with heat sinks and other stuff inside it.
 
Slackmaster2K,
My power supply is pretty quite, but still it is the noisiest part in my current setup. I was eyeing one of the Enermax PSUs to make my box even quieter.
Is Enermax REALLY quite? Which model is best for Athlon in terms of noise (i.e absence of it)?
 
webstop. I'm using an Enermax 300W with the variable speed control. With the RPM's set to the lowest setting it is quieter than your typical powersupply, but not dead quiet unfortunately.

I can still hear it in the background quite easily when recording. I think the only solution for getting a dead quiet PC is to either go liquid cooled, remove it from the tracking room or somehow isolate it in an isobox.
 
I have the 431Watt model with variable fan and to my taste it's quiet (it's not the loudest thing in my box)

My sys:
- The mentioned Enermax PSU,
- Soltek SL-DRV4 mobo with XP2,200+ cpu and Zalman Cu cooler (stock fan, set to slowest). I'm still waiting for my Zalman copper chipset cooler because the northbridge fan on that mobo is killing me.
- Super Flower Aluminium case with Akasa Paxmate foam. I don't know if it helps, but it looks cool :cool: . I wasn't able to stuff 100% of the case ('bout 75%) so I basically *know* it's no big help.
- GeF2 videocard without fan
- 2 HDDs : 80Gb WesternDigital Caviar (2Mb version) and 40Gb Maxtor DiamondMaxPlus 8. I don't know if these are specifically quiet, I only hear them on defragging and while reading +40tracks. Would anyone know if these quiet drive enclosures apply to these disks ?? (regarding temperature) ???


So far quieting my DAW cost me : paxmate: €35, PSU €131, CPU cooler €45 ... €207 Sure enough, I could have gone H²O for that price but it still scares me having water in my computer.


Herwig
 
Good warning about power supplies. I agree that the better made ones tend to be heavier.

Another thing to look for is that many of the "name brand" power supplies will have a UL sticker on them. The crappy ones won't.

Also, if you buy an replacement case for $29, you can pretty much bet that the power supply in it will be wimpy.


I recently emailed a friend some links about "quiet PCs". Most of the links came from here. Here they are:


http://www.directron.com/silence.html

http://www.quietpcusa.com/

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/alarmandaccesories/silencerfan/index.htm

http://www.nidec.com/gamma28.html

http://www.molex.com/product/silent/silentdrive.html

http://www.thermalright.com/ax7.html

http://www.plycon.com/papst80.htm

http://www.akasa.com.tw/

http://www.radioshack.com/product.a..._name=CTLG_005_007_014_000&product_id=273-199

http://www.coolerguys.com/
 
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