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    Pre Amps in Mackie 1604 series

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    How does the quality of the pres in a Mackie Mixer (i.e. 1604 cr) compares to the quality of say the M-Audio DMP3? Have any recommendations for pre amp in $250-$400 range for two channels?

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    those older mackie VLZs are great.. I/we have several nationally released albums recorded with those and a avalon channel for overdubs. Dont second guess yourself on those

    There is always a $1000-$2000 channel that will sound marginally better but you are just fine with those.

    I 'heard' the M-audios are focusrites and if thats accurate id prefer the mackie pres given the choice

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    Buy and old Mackie for pres then?

    So in terms of "bang for the buck" buying a Mackie would give me the best for the money right. I'm recording with a YAMAHA AW1600 (8 inputs xlr/line) digital machine. Any suggestions for best connections?

    Never heard the term "focusrites" but seems like you mean it must be used PRECISELY with the correct settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennyc765
    Never heard the term "focusrites" but seems like you mean it must be used PRECISELY with the correct settings.
    LMAO... some might say that
    It's not just the signal chain... It's the hands that touch it

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    focusrite is a brand of preamp. I was stating that I thought the M-audio preamps were made by focusrite. Just what ive heard, not 100% sure.


    Not sure what you are recording but if you got ahold of a simple, lowcost DBX compressor and put it in front of that VLZ preamp you can get a really fat, thick signal to your recording device. In other words maximize the preamp potential without getting into digital distortion

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennyc765
    I'm recording with a YAMAHA AW1600 (8 inputs xlr/line) digital machine. Any suggestions for best connections?

    The mackie 1604 has 8 direct outs so i'd go :

    mic cable into channel 1 on mackie board.

    route the signal from channel 1 from the mackie channel 1 direct out into your yamaha's channel 1.

    I'd turn down the gain on the yamaha channels to 1/4 -to- 1/3rd the way up max and theb and boost the signal using the mackie preamp. In otherwords use as little of the yamaha gain as you can get away with


    Possibly try the compressor in front of the mackie for channel by channel overdubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by wall of noise 9
    I'd turn down the gain on the yamaha channels to 1/4 -to- 1/3rd the way up max and theb and boost the signal using the mackie preamp. In otherwords use as little of the yamaha gain as you can get away with
    Right idea... but the best way to keep the Yamaha pres impact down is to crank you're mackie output and adjust you're final gain at the yahama input...
    It's not just the signal chain... It's the hands that touch it

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    Quote Originally Posted by wall of noise 9
    I 'heard' the M-audios are focusrites and if thats accurate id prefer the mackie pres given the choice
    It's not accurate. Someone is confusing M-Audio with Mbox.



    denny, the DMP3 pres are, IMO, slightly better than the Mackie VLZ pres, but that is subjective. If you need more channels and routing options get the mixer. If you want two good clean channels cheap, get the DMP3.

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    It sounds like were talking about the older, pre VLZ pres. If so, they're still OK, just not quite up to spec with the VLZ series pres. If you're not needing to get excessive amounts of gain out of them, like for a ribbon mic, or a Shure SM7, then you'll be happy enough with them. The DMP3 is so inexpensive that you can pick one up later after you gain the utility of having a mixer. The DMP3 is a fantastic little stereo preamp for the money, definitely worth adding to your setup. I don't think I've ever heard anyone knock it, even the gear sluts have to give it it's due.
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    CR1604 is not a VLZ unless it's a CR1604-VLZ or 1604-VLZPRO.

    I have an original CR1604. I wouldn't use it for recording. Live sound, sure. You can get them cheap and you can add an automation board if desired. I wouldn't use it for recording. Significant high frequency roll-off and somewhat noisy even at moderate gain.
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