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    Quote Originally Posted by swelborn View Post
    ok... spoke with another GC rep and he said the Akai and Native midi keyboards suited more towards electronic sounds and a Roland (Juno ds61 for example), Yamaha or Korg would be better suited for natural conventional instrument sounds (upright bass, orchestral instruments, mandolins, etc. with the Roland having the best quality sound. The Roland juno ds61 with built in sequencer and includes probably all the VSTi's I would ever need.
    If I want authentic sounding instruments I guess I'll have to move to the higher price @ $700 or around $500 used. Unless someone suggests otherwise...??
    Your's is message #6 and in message #5 I suggest the mx49. The mx49 was on my list and should have better sounds that what I bought.

    Haha My very first MIDI keyboard had drum pads, ?? 7-track sequencer, 61 mini keys and a vectoring joystick. Also have another 61-key with vectoring. That's four voices at the compass points and you can blend them to varying degrees with the joystick. Close, the xw-p1 gives me the sliders for 6 PCM sound generators

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    As a guitarist you could do what I did- forget about using a MIDI keyboard and play MIDI guitar with a Fishman Tripleplay guitar pickup.
    It's a WiFi MIDI guitar system which comes with a bunch of very useful synths and sample apps. You access its patches via the solid TriplePlay software installed on your computer. I use my laptop for live performances.
    You can use the TriplePlay software in your sequencer. I use Reaper- which is cheap and reliable- but you could even use Audacity, which is free.

    I also use a hardware synth- a Roland GR20- and the TriplePlay tracks just as well as that, if not a shade better as it has fine software adjustments for styles of guitar playing.
    As far as I'm aware you can fit the TriplePlay pickup to any guitar that has a minimum of 9mm between the bridge pickup and the bridge. Mine's on an ES 335.

    Has the MIDI guitarists' time come ? Yes sir.

    Of course, keyboard players have the advantage of being able to play a whole mass of notes simultaneously.
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    I was in your situation, but was lucky enough to find a nice Casio WK-1200 (with stand) at an estate auction for $15. It has a 200 built in sounds, 100 rhythm sets, and it's own speakers, which helped me to get started with it, but are no longer used (much). It has MIDI out and in and velocity-sensitive keys are what I use now and with a few PreSonus and Native Instruments instruments software chunks, I can do more than what I figured on initially. Oh, it needed a MIDI to USB converter, called a Uno from M-audio for about $40, bringing the total to $55.

    While I'll never be offered professional work as a pianist, based on this experience, I've never spent $15 more wisely. Maybe it's time to go sale-ing (as in garage sale-ing)?
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    Those home Keyboards can be a lot of fun and there may not be much distinction from a workstation where the price points meet

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    I've had a MIDI guitar - an Aria with Roland MIDI pickup and GS-33 synth, and it's not really ideal for my kind of music - I've never made it sound like a piano, and I've never made a piano sound convincing on a guitar sample. I suppose if I was starting from scratch and could only buy one - would be a simple keyboard - old synths are on ebay all the time, with dated sounds - but decent plastic unweighted keyboard and pitchbend and mod wheels. I would start with those.

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    I mean of course you have to change your playing style and kind of think like a keyboardist. I personally would never try to play both hands at the same time whether I'm on a guitar or a keyboard. But if you put a little thought into your note choices and chord voicings and actually play things that a keyboardist can and might, it can work fairly well.

    The big thing for me is in the "feel", though. Dynamics and rythm. It's just more intuitive for me on the guitar because that's what I know.

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    Well, my 61-key semi weighted, after touch "synth" was not much over $100. When it arrived, a few of the weights had fallen to the bottom of the box. It's my FAV keyboard (not that I've a lot). I'm in real Desert dust and I need to clean the contacts, but it worked great for a 28 year old keyboard. Being around for awhile, there are tons of patches for it. I liked it enough that I got the rack version, also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob aylestone View Post
    I've had a MIDI guitar - an Aria with Roland MIDI pickup and GS-33 synth, and it's not really ideal for my kind of music - I've never made it sound like a piano, and I've never made a piano sound convincing on a guitar sample. I suppose if I was starting from scratch and could only buy one - would be a simple keyboard - old synths are on ebay all the time, with dated sounds - but decent plastic unweighted keyboard and pitchbend and mod wheels. I would start with those.
    I can't speak for your kit- of course- but mine sounds just like it says on the tin. I've got a range of pianos and organ presets- all adjustable - which sound like the real deal. The electric pianos in particular are addictive- but I don't have any concert-quality grands. They're available though, for a price, but I'm currently happy with the acoustics, electrics, the honky-tonks and rock, blues and jazz organs . A very good keyboard player could make full use of a concert grand patch- but I'm just a guitarist looking to sound like a keyboard when required.
    I've got a couple of MIDI keyboards- bought to use with Spectrasonics software- but I can access Omnisphere with the guitar now, via the TriplePlay.
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    "As a guitarist you could do what I did- forget about using a MIDI keyboard and play MIDI guitar with a Fishman Tripleplay guitar pickup. "

    This looks like a good option for me too as a guitarist. I've heard great piano sounds on midi-guitar, but NOT the other way around. Although it's not piano parts necessarily that I'm looking to record though I'm sure I would in some cases. I'll probably go this route first then get a keyboard controller as I can afford next cuz it sounds like fun and might add more possibilities.

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    I have some very decent piano samplers, the trouble is not the sound as in the sound of that one note, it's how guitars are different from keyboards. I work with a concert pianist a lot and if you look at the midi note editor you see very odd things, notes overlap, and sometimes have tiny double taps, and left hand held notes, with other shorter ones close in pitch - and guitar based MIDI sources can't do this - and this means that while you can play a few sustained chords, melody lines are always going to be different. The best sampler needs the right notes - keys mean very specific ways notes change. Guitars cannot do many of these, but of course, guitars can do things keys can't. So you could play something on the guitar a pianist can't - authenticity, if that is your need means keys, but maybe there is scope for some unique stuff from a midi guitar on fixed pitch samples?

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