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    "pops" using Shure SM58 for vocal recording

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    I've recorded some 4-part mixed acapella stuff with 4 SM58's and a Korg D1200. I'm quite encouraged - with a bit of reverb added the resulting mix from Audacity sounds pretty good. Except that is, for the pops I get from the SM58's on plosive sounds. I appreciate the SM58 is not really a studio mic but I'm wondering whether I can avoid the pops with a screen, or alternatively, if anyone knows of an audacity plug-in for pops.

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    yeah you should be fine with buying a screen or make one with pantyhose and a coat-hanger.

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    A pop filter will help at tracking, compression can help at mixdown.

    For a capella mic technique is king. I find that much a capella done live has each performer using a separate handheld like the 58 or some other. Some compression and a filter can help, but they should learn to solve the problem at the source, their technique, if they perform live.

    A momentary turning away from the mic at offending plosives helps a lot, as does the classic technique of not really pronouncing them, just kind of hinting at them, without the plosive.

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    Thanks for the comments.

    I take it that the classic coloured windsock wouldn't have much effect?

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    a low cut filter will help you...that's where the problem is. start at 60/80 and sweep it up until the p's are gone...if it's a little thin, maybe try notching it out with a parametric instead.

    i never tried a compressor with a sidechain or some multiband thing - but that seems like it could work.

    in the future, while tracking try having the vocalist sing across the mic at an angle. this, along with along with the pop filter, can solve a lot of problems. I agree that the vocalist should know how to work the mic...but hey - working it for 'em is part of the fun and the job.

    "I appreciate the SM58 is not really a studio mic"

    don't tell that to my 58! or mick jagger! or jack endino! or bono!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossmcm
    I take it that the classic coloured windsock wouldn't have much effect?
    I find them reasonably effective, especially for a vocalist who eats the mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtoe
    a low cut filter will help you...that's where the problem is. start at 60/80 and sweep it up until the p's are gone...if it's a little thin, maybe try notching it out with a parametric instead.

    i never tried a compressor with a sidechain or some multiband thing - but that seems like it could work.
    EQ will merely change the timbre of the pops, and compression won't help either. Other suggestions are good, in that it's really a matter of mic technique. Some people pop, others don't. Try having the mic at nostril level, angled down toward the mouth, as the stream of air from the mouth naturally is directed downward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGCurry
    EQ will merely change the timbre of the pops, and compression won't help either. Other suggestions are good, in that it's really a matter of mic technique. Some people pop, others don't. Try having the mic at nostril level, angled down toward the mouth, as the stream of air from the mouth naturally is directed downward.
    While it's true that a good pop filter and proper mic technique are the best way to go, low cut EQ and compression can salvage a good take with a pop or two. Certainly compression and EQ are used heavily in radio to avoid the same problem.
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    "EQ will merely change the timbre of the pops..."

    exactly - change the timber enough and you won't hear em.
    i've done it 100 times...unless the pop is insane...it's not a hard fix in the slightest.

    "and compression won't help either"

    it would seem to me would - kind of like a deesser way down low. i'm gonna try it with an RNC. seems like a cool trick.

    "While it's true that a good pop filter and proper mic technique are the best way to go, low cut EQ and compression can salvage a good take with a pop or two."

    words to live by.

    if the OP has editing capabilities - i'd grab a "P" from somewhere else and replace it...i did this a couple months ago on our hd24...forgot how well it worked..that editing stuff is addicting!

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    Its very simple: If you don't want pops from plosives, use a pop filter. Spending time trying to solve the problem of pops with EQ and compression is really taking it the loooooooooooong way around.

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