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Tons of professionals I know are always hyping about how great the SM57 & SM58 are. I actually know a high school teacher who bought 30 SM58s and keeps them in a gigantic lockbox under their soundboard in the auditorium "just in case".

Personally, I don't think they're all that great. For the money, I think you could get an AKG or Sennheiser mic (the 835 in particular) that performs better.

The Beta57 and Beta58 are good, though. I like those alot. Shure also has a condenser handheld mic for like 170 US that I've heard wonders about.

What do you guys think????
 
virgoanmethod said:
Tons of professionals I know are always hyping about how great the SM57 & SM58 are. I actually know a high school teacher who bought 30 SM58s and keeps them in a gigantic lockbox under their soundboard in the auditorium "just in case".

Personally, I don't think they're all that great. For the money, I think you could get an AKG or Sennheiser mic (the 835 in particular) that performs better.

The Beta57 and Beta58 are good, though. I like those alot. Shure also has a condenser handheld mic for like 170 US that I've heard wonders about.

What do you guys think????

You strike me as a live sound guy trying to converse with a bunch or studio-heads. First, this and now starting a thread asking us to debate the virtues of all these live sound mics.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. You're just very dynamic mic/live sound-centric. :)
 
Maybe. I'm actually a music technology student. I do alot of live sound at school, mainly because that's what Im exposed to the most, but I really prefer recording.

Besides, what's wrong with using dynamic mics in the studio? Condensers aren't the best for everything......I use condensers for lead vocals, guitars, drums and a few other things; but dynamic mics are great for backup vocals because they don' t bleed and I can control each vocal independantly when recording several together. I also use dynamics for exotic percussion, congas bongos djembas and the such.
 
Yeah, you're right. Condensors are not the best for everything. I just think, in the studio anyway, that condensors work better than dynamics on most sources, mostly because they're more accurate sounding. On recordings where I do all the overdubs myself, the only time I use a dynamic is when I'm close micing drums, or maybe guitar amps.
 
I use dynamics on guitar, and bass if I mic it, on toms, on snare, on kick. On just about everything except overheads and vocals. But sometimes I use dynamics there as well. Pro's still use the 57 for good reason. It sounds good. I think dynamics still work good in the studio for most sources. Particularly rock bands.
 
First, there isn't a shred of evidence that a Sennheiser e835 is superior to an SM58, nor is an AKG for that matter, any of them.
Secondly, cheap dynamics, while having a number of specialty uses in a studio, are more generally appropriate for live use due to lower sensitivity, feedback rejection, durability, and expendibility. For most applications, higher end dynamics such as Shure SM7B or Sennheiser MD441 really *are* better mics, but most of us can't afford a bunch of 441's to use as stage mics. For a cheap stage dynamic, there are no mics superior to a Beta 57/58, just ones that are different.-Richie
 
I took a "Beta" 57 home to test to see if it was an improvement or any different. I actually didn't like it for guitar amps so I didn't buy it. Doesn't mean that its not a good mic though.
 
Scott Tansley said:
I use dynamics on guitar, and bass if I mic it, on toms, on snare, on kick. On just about everything except overheads and vocals. But sometimes I use dynamics there as well. Pro's still use the 57 for good reason. It sounds good. I think dynamics still work good in the studio for most sources. Particularly rock bands.
Hopefully you didn't use dynamics on acoustic, did you? That sounds like crap.

I guess if you're a straight up rawk band, you're going to use dynamics a lot more than I would, but to say they work better on "most" sources is just flat out wrong. What about piano? What about woodwinds? Strings? Small hand percussion? Ambient mics? Dynamics suck on all these sources 90 percent of the time.
 
virgoanmethod said:
Tons of professionals I know are always hyping about how great the SM57 & SM58 are. I actually know a high school teacher who bought 30 SM58s and keeps them in a gigantic lockbox under their soundboard in the auditorium "just in case".

Personally, I don't think they're all that great. For the money, I think you could get an AKG or Sennheiser mic (the 835 in particular) that performs better.

The Beta57 and Beta58 are good, though. I like those alot. Shure also has a condenser handheld mic for like 170 US that I've heard wonders about.

What do you guys think????
I think the SM57 is a good mic.
 
Yeh. I said there good in the studio. Not better!

And I have actually gotten some good (not saying better) appropriate sounds out of a cheep accoustic using a 57. I'll post the recording if you want. Definately doesn't sound crap. Actually I will post it.

I could post the separate guitar tracks if your interested too.
Only condensor used on this recording was a distant room mic on the drums.
I could have used more condensors or ribons in place of some of the dynamics and it might sound better technically but would it have sounded as good.
And I agree cominginsecond, that for things like strings, piano (not always but), woodwinds (for sure), ambience (for sure) etc that most dynamics would be unsuitable.

I believe that you should shoot for a good sound. Not neccesarily with so called better equipment. Good quality gear, yes. But technically better, no. Just depends on what overall sound your going for.
 
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I like it Scott, but it's just not the same without the veggies...
I love those vids!
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