AT2020 STILL Quiet after getting behringer uphoria

You r not going crazy, Audacity stated their last release would do multi track recording. I am on my iPhone so I don't have a lot of time to respond to the rest of your post. I just wanted to say "You Ain't Losing Your Marbles". ???

The only version that I have gotten more than two tracks on audacity to mix/work with was the Linux version.
I used the linux version before to mix stems that don't need processing.
The PC version works like a simple wave editor.
But its not a real tracking daw.
I recommend getting reaper. @$60 its a good deal and its been the choice of pros that abandoned pro tools when Avid made it lease-ware. A newer DAW people are picking up and using instead of pro tools is the Harrison Mixbus32C.
 
EC I hear ya but I just don't see the big crime...Both brands "copied" a lot of technology that preceded them. Aesthetically yes Bugera did a very nice job of copying the layout...hell they may very well be made in the same factory in China...For sure many of the parts are made at the same factory / factories that supply the electronic parts.

I used to be a tile setter. If you wanted a Tomco tile job you had to use me and pay me what I expected. There was no haggling and you got a Tomco job which was a tile job done right from beginning to end.

That works fine on a onesy twosy kind of business and provided me with a decent living...The only way I could make more money was to duplicate myself and that was the rub. Try as I might I couldn't find another Tomco that would work for me. Guys of my level didn't need to work for me they could get jobs on their own.
If too many of them had shown up in my area ( that didn't happen ) I would become a commodity and the prices would slowly start going down.

We live in a very strange time in history with all the luxuries we enjoy but certainly don't "need" to survive...We are a society of consumers buying all kinds of shit not necessary to exist. Like guitar amps ;)

When I hear people talk about manufacturing who have never owned or tried to start a manufacturing business, I hear all kinds of lofty socialist ideas of how that business should be run...Excellent pay, free medical, 4 day work week, maternity time for both males and females the list goes on and on.... But those damn consumers they are a demanding lot and they want the best value for the lowest price they can buy it at. The two philosophies don't mesh and never will. One is pie in the sky and one is real human nature. Feed me, Shelter me, Entertain me and do it in a fashion where I have to put out as little effort and money as possible.

Trading goes back to our early cave ancestors. Capitalism is just a modern day version of the same thing. Nanook has a rock I like and I have a bone Nanook would like to possess. He doesn't care how I got the bone, nor I, how he got the rock. We trade we're happy...till I find out I could have gotten two rocks for my bone..dang!

Now we use money to trade for the rocks and bones and though we all would like to say we have ethics and standards...... we're really no better than our ancestors...Just trying to get along with what we need and what we feel we'd like to have.

Not just iPhones... all phones have blood sweat and tears attached to them...That T-shirt you wear, the shoes you walk in, even that cup of Starbucks coffee has the fingerprint of used and abused laborers on it somewhere down the line..

Life in nature is a beautiful and yet brutal thing.......Life in our man made "civilization" is a beautiful yet brutal thing..... That's life..... I don't know the exact ratio worldwide in regards to quality of life today (Them's that have and thems that don't) but I suspect the ratio of have's is higher today than it was 100 years ago, 1000 years ago and certainly 2000 years ago....Sadly we are still living in a world where food is thrown away in one place while people are starving in another...Really bogus stuff going on people killing people, governments wanting to overthrow governments...Trump wanting to fire the NFL....... in the big picture Bugera copying Blackstar is pretty insignificant...
 
Wow, that Ebtech tester is a ripoff at that price. Probably has $8 worth of parts at best in that box. Definitely a company lacking ethics for overcharging for something like that :D

There is more money spent on the connectors and the outside box compared to the circuit itself.

The only bad thing is Behringer got a bad rap for poor quality control. Presonus is 2nd to this.
 
EC I hear ya but I just don't see the big crime...Both brands "copied" a lot of technology that preceded them. Aesthetically yes Bugera did a very nice job of copying the layout...hell they may very well be made in the same factory in China...For sure many of the parts are made at the same factory / factories that supply the electronic parts.


Well to be perfectly honest, the circuits themselves are generic. They technically copied the signal chain design. But that is just the layout. Like if I made a mixer and layed it out with mic pre, eq, sends and busses, there is a great chance I will come up with the same thing someone else makes because there has been so many variations of a mixer. Did I copy anyone's design? no, it just looks like someone else's layout.
 
Wow, that Ebtech tester is a ripoff at that price. Probably has $8 worth of parts at best in that box. Definitely a company lacking ethics for overcharging for something like that :D

Well Mark I don't know the relative build qualities any more than you do but in general armies don't buy in ***t. I have read of some reliability issues with the Berry.
However, it is rather akin to mic stands! The HR bod can pay $20 and get something that will work and easily last 5 years but chuck it in and out of a Transit (or whatever the US equive is!) 7 nights a week for a year and it will fall to bits. Yer pays yer money (Attrib Alan LORD ffs! Sugar."There is very little in this world that cannot be made a little cheaper and a little worse") and I was the poor shmuck trying to fix his Amstrad crap!

TAE. I have posted on forums where just admitting you had used cracked software would get you banned. The composers and musicians there (maybe here?) took a VERY dim view of piracy. If software is 'intellectual Property' then surely the vast work involved in designing an amplifier is the same?

The difference is of course, rip off an amp design and the people hurt are "artisans", shop staff and factory workers. Software peeps tend to be rich, influencial and middle class. As I said BEFORE THESE people are starting to CRAP themselves about AI!

We are perhaps a decade from driverless cars, busses, ships, taxis. We could probably let the robots fly the planes NOW. When all this happens AND more. WHAT THE FUCK IS EVERYBODY GOING TO DO!

Dave.
 
BTW, that ^ IS convergent design, modern cars are the same (except that one that tries to look like a Bugatti Veyron!)

Dave.

I really can't tell you which amp manufacturer first came out with this slick style for placement and protection of the knobs...Maybe it was Marshall, I'm not certain. But one company did and then several other brands fricking flat out and blatantly copied it. IMO no difference than Bugera copying the placement of the knobs of the Blackstar.
 
. IMO no difference than Bugera copying the placement of the knobs of the Blackstar.

Then sir you have really not examined those photographs. This is not a 'looky-likey' this is a complete clone. They have JUST about stopped short of ripping off the 'IFS' legend and called it something else.

I am going to see if I can find a view of the 'Buggers' rear panel I have one here to compare.

Dave.
 
No Dave I hear ya...I understand they copied it totally to offer a similar option at a better value...or not. My point was where do you draw the line? It's a freeking amp that takes noise and amplifies it.. That Behringer cloned it and offered it at a better price BECAUSE nothing they did was legally protectable novel or unique i.e, patentable...all bets are off and it's open game. I play keys so I have no dog in this fight but I can tell you I play with a guitarist who loves his second Bugera (Because the first one came with problems LOL) He's been using it for about 2 years now and really likes it. He has a ton of vintage amps but he uses the Bugera


A great example of creating a great product and protecting it is QSC their PA's and how they sound is really unmatched in the prosumer market...Made in China but all that proprietary voodoo software to make their units sound so clean they keep control of and none of the competition have been able to one up for several years now. You make a superior product that is noticeably different and superior and many people will pay the premium price. There are cheap PA speakers that look A LOT like a K8 or 10 or 12 but those in the know still pay the extra dough.
 
I find this 'don't care/caveat emptor' attitude alarming. Just seen a consumer programme on Beeb 1 about fake batteries in a head-light that explode.

It is said "Evil prospers when good men do nothing" We should all condemn fakery and plagiarism wherever it occurs. Strange isn't it? Rip off an amp design down to every knob and legend and, "Oh well! Market Forces". Knock out a cracked DAW or a song that sounds a bit like T Swift and all the wrath of Odin and Valhalla descends upon you!

Dave.
 
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