The New Tone Thread

[Lt. Bob]

good to hear man ..... that's the most important thing of all

[minerman]

Thanks for the kind words about my wife guys, & again, so far, so good!!!!!

Here's a few tones I recorded this weeked, nothing special, just some shitty playing through my Tweaker, Greenback cab (ISO box), & '57 mic about an inch from the grill, about where the cap meets the cone.....


Strat neck pickup, going for a SRV/Texas blues crunch thing. Tweaker settings were Vintage, volume: 8-9, USA (fender tonestack), treble: 8, mid: 5, bass: 7, clean, gain: 10, bright, tight. I had the guitar's volume rolled off to around 7-8, & the tone about the same (7-8):

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12161180

Ibanez bridge pickup, copied Greg's volume knob thing, the very last part has a Boss Super OD as a clean boost, you can actually hear me step on the pedal. This is the "Clean" channel of the Tweaker with the 5751 tubes:

Modern, volume: 6-7, Brit (marshall tonestack), treble: 9, mid: 5, bass: 10, clean, gain: 10, bright, tight

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12161182


Same thing on this clip, Ibanez volume knob thing, but using the "Hot" channel of the Tweaker, & the very last part has the Boss OD as a clean boost:

Modern, volume: 6-7, Brit (marshall tonestack), treble: 9, mid: 5, bass: 10, hot, gain: 10, bright, tight



http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12161183


With the 5751 tubes, the "clean" channel has enough gain for me, & I can always use a boost pedal if it isn't. The "hot" channel just has too much gain unless you turn it down, it's just too much. It looses clarity & definition with the gain dimed on the "hot" channel......

So, I like the new tubes quite a bit, to me there's a really noticeable difference in the sound, not a whole lot more gain, but enough to where I can notice the difference......

Really happy with my amp/cab setup at the moment, wish I'd bought the T15 to start with instead of the Blackstar, but live & learn......

Lemme know what you guys think......off to work I go......

[Greg_L]

Wow, those all sound good to me. I really like the "clean" channel clips, although it aint clean at all. You can hear the Greenback "flub" out a little on the hot channel with the volume up, I like that though. I think they're all good and usable. Nice work. Try that same test with the V30 and see what you get. I bet the "hot" channel with those same settings will sound tight and crunchy through the V30.

So what about feedback? With that iso cab are you able to get any controlled feedback/sustain stuff going on?

[minerman]

Thanks Greg,

I don't like the "hot" channel with the gain cranked at all, it's just too much for me (I never thought I'd say that, too much gain....), the way it "flubs" out I really don't care for. Turn the gain down a little & the "flub" doesn't happen, it's like having 2 amps in one (technically it is I suppose....), I read somewhere a guy did a mod to his T15 to where he could use a footswitch for the "hot/clean" setting, which would be cool for a gig, but doesn't interest me really, as I only do the recording thing...

The "clean" channel is great, & even more so now with the 5751 tubes, they add just the right amount of gain (for me anyway) compared to the stock EH/Egnater tubes. Makes me wanna buy some more/different tubes, tube rolling might make enough difference in this little amp that I don't buy another head....

On the feeback/sustain question, no, that won't happen with the lid closed/sealed, but it will work with it open, I was moving the mic position for these clips, & left the guitar leaned against my desk, hitting the open strings, & it was feeding back, so if I ever need that, I just have to take the lid off, but will most likely need the place to myself, I'm still amazed at how much the cheap-ass box I made cuts the noise level......

And I just got done switching the cabs out (took probably 5 mins at the most...), so I'm gonna try to do the v30 clips today so I can get some feedback/pointers with the new tubes through the Vintage 30 speaker......

Thanks again!!!!!

[minerman]

OK, so I did another quick recording of the Ibanez & T15, this time using the Orange V30 cab.....exact same amp settings as the Greenback clips, & I did my best to get the same mic position......

Here's the "clean" channel:
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12163317

"Hot" channel:
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12163319

I noticed a pretty big difference in the tone, & to my surprise, the V30 has a little more bottom than the GB, you can hear it in the clips (nasty resonant freq.....could be the mic position, the ISO box, could be anything, but this was just a quick-n-dirty test clip thing, so it really doesn't matter......)....

The "hot" channel still "flubs" out with the gain maxed even through the V30, I'm starting to think the tubes may have something to do with this, as I'm still running the stock power tubes that came in the amp. I think my next "thing" will be some different tubes, pre & power, as I noticed a pretty big difference just swapping 2 of the pre-amp tubes over the weekend.....I had a few Russian 6P3s power tubes picked out, but backed out because of my wife's surgery ($$$$)......Once I get the master volume past about 6, the amp compresses the sound a lot, maybe a different set of power tubes is what I'm after.....

Lemme know what you guys think, don't pay any attention to the shitty playing, again, this is just a quick-n-dirty tone test.....

Oh yeah, lovin' the little Tweaker amp setup I have, pretty versatile little amp IMHO.......

[Greg_L]

Cool. I like the GB clips better, but the V30 sounds great. The V30's bottom seems more "woofy" and I'd attribute that to mic position more than anything else. The bottom line, they both sound great, and one on each side would kill in a mix.

[cakewalkKaKed]

there great clips minerman,they all sound darned good,personally i prefer the clean channel when you use hot it seems its lopping off some top end and does go a little muggy really are great sounds id be well happy with those

[minerman]

Thanks guys,
These clips are pretty shitty playing-wise, but I think the setup I have definitely has some useable tones to be had....especially the clean channel with a boost, the "Brit" tonestack does sound a little "Marshally" to me, but I'm probably just partial because it's my setup.....

I'm gonna try to get some different tubes still, & I'm still waiting to see what Marshall comes out with besides the 5w Slash combo amp, if they come out with just the Slash head version, I might buy it, but dunno......I've heard they've got some more low watt stuff coming, but don't know for sure, I suppose I'll just keep adding/modifying the setup I have for now until then.....

A few different sets of power & pre-amp tubes, & maybe a couple more mics would be a cheaper route for now.........& yes, I'm a cheap bastard.....


Thanks again!!!!!

[cakewalkKaKed]

Thanks guys,
These clips are pretty shitty playing-wise,

forgot to say before there aint nuffin wrong with your playing

[Sky Blue Lou]

Good stuff coal miner. Don't get hung on the details - die by the fuckin' sword.