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    My Triple Rec just ain't cutting it...

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    I've owned a Mesa Triple Rec for around a year, and while at first it seemed the cat's ass compared to anything else I'd played, I'm now beginning to fully realize it's limitations and it's pissing me off! At first, the high-gain/scooped mids/smooth distortion seems like the "tone of the Gods", but now that I'm actually playing some real music with real dynamics (and lots of solos!), I find it's tone a bit... lacking. It's got no balls! I recently re-tubed it, which it desperately needed, but that still hasn't given me the extreme distorted mega huge screaming raging explosion tone I'm looking for. It's more of a nu-metallish rhythm-guitar mediocre scooped tone, which I largely attribute to it's terrible "Mid" knob. It's like it's just boosting the boomy shit frequencies that most of us cut out of a mix right away. There aren't any medium-high mids at all!

    That said, what should I be looking at to get that mega-huge ballsy angry tone? Somewhere between Bloodbath and Early-to-Mid Metallica? Something like Opeth!!! I play a brand of metal somewhere between 80's Metallica, Opeth, Between the Buried and Me, and At the Gates, with an extremely fair helping of sweet solos!


    *Edit: to clarify, I've been playing guitar for around 7 years, and have been touring for the last two, so I'm not a n00b playing-wise. Tone-wise, I'm in the crowd of, "I don't know, but I know what I like!". I'm just starting to get into playing with things like my amp/pickups/strings/etc. more than a little, and I want to go the right direction right away vs. trying 20 different amps just to figure out my pickups were the problem the whole time or something!

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    VHT, Bogner, Soldano, ENGL, Egnater. Just a few to try out and see what you think.

    Also, you might want to check out if you can find a 2 channel model of the mesa Dual Rec. I forget if there was ever a 2 channel Triple Rec, but the 2 channel models are generally considered superior.

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    go for the Bogner Uberschall! that thing rips.
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    it has a switchable effects loop right?

    I think you should start using it. Maybe an eq, ibanez tubescreamer? Heres a link to BTBAM's setup one of the dudes, http://smnnews.com/board/showthread.php?t=114976

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    Don't get rid of it yet!
    I have a dual rectifier and I love it. But I never ever use the "modern" setting.
    It really has no mids only boomy bass and harsh treb.
    the "vintage voice" has a really heavy sound with a lot of body.
    I use EL34 on power tubes, i didnt fall in love with mine until the EL34.
    Also, i never push the gain more than 1 or 2 o'clock, it tends to sound sloppy, when i need more gain i use an OD(MXR ZW) and noise gate(BOSS ns-2). And Celestion Vintage 30.
    I dont know if this helps in a triple rec.

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    What exactly is different with your sound now than before. Are you just not liking the tone, or your guitar isn't cutting thru? There are lots of things it could be. If you like the tone when you play by yourself, but doesn't work in the band setting, EQ could be the problem. What speakers are you using? Are you using active or passive pickups? Might want to try adjusting the pick up height to get rid of some of the muddiness. Just a note about EQ, what ever you use at lower volumes won't necessarily work at higer volumes. Usually you will need different setting for the two, to compenstate for the speaker distortion. I'm just throwing around some ideas. I would'nt ditch the Triple Rec just yet, the problems you're haveing can happen with any speaker/amp combination, usually it's just a matter of tweaking and knowing how to compensate for the environment you're playing in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ostia Man
    Don't get rid of it yet!
    I have a dual rectifier and I love it. But I never ever use the "modern" setting.
    It really has no mids only boomy bass and harsh treb.
    the "vintage voice" has a really heavy sound with a lot of body.
    I use EL34 on power tubes, i didnt fall in love with mine until the EL34.
    Also, i never push the gain more than 1 or 2 o'clock, it tends to sound sloppy, when i need more gain i use an OD(MXR ZW) and noise gate(BOSS ns-2). And Celestion Vintage 30.
    I dont know if this helps in a triple rec.

    There's one solution to all the Mesa problems. Voodoo amps. Get the fucker modded and you'll be able to dime the gain on the modern channel and it sounds sweet. They also change the eq circuits and make them very useable. I can't believe I waited so long to do it.



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    You mentioned a mix? Play with the tracks (by muting them one by one) until you find out exactly what's stepping on your sound -- the toms? vocals? another guitar player? If you can use an eq on the mix to fill in the gap, then take the same approach with your guitar signal chain (and if there are two guitar players, this may need to be a "collaborative" process). I gathered that the amp sounds OK by itself, but gets lost in the mix -- if it sounds bad by itself, then yeah, maybe look at another amp.

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    I owned a dual rec and thought it was a kick ass amp for about a month. I ended up using an eq in the efx loop but it was still lacking something. I think your best bet would be to talk to some local amp techs, music store owners, and anyone else that's in to guitars and amps. Finding the right amp ain't easy and it's probably going to take some effort.

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    you gotta crank it.

    what kinda volumes are you playing it at? playing at low volumes will not wield the sounds you hear on records. you only get that by cranking a tube amp to the point where you shouldnt be standing near it without protection or a power soak.

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