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    Gibson Tim Shaw PAF Pickup

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    While rummaging through my stash of guitar parts I came across an old Gibson PAF that I had purchased new in the mid 1980s. After researching the numbers and sticker on the bottom it seems to be a Gibson Tim Shaw PAF bridge pickup made in 1981. Does anyone have a ballpark estimate as to what this thing is worth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnor View Post
    Does anyone have a ballpark estimate as to what this thing is worth?
    wouldn't that depend on how it sounds?
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    Who is / was Tim Shaw?
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    From Gibson on Shaw:

    "Whether it was rivalry between plants or increased market awareness, the Nashville plant jumped into the reissue action in 1980. By this time, one of the most glaring deficiencies of new Les Pauls (compared to the originals) was the humbucking pickup. In preparation for its first attempt at a reissue, Gibson assigned engineer Tim Shaw the job of designing a reissue of the original Patent-Applied-For humbucking pickup-within certain restrictions. "This was 1980 and Norlin was already feeling the pinch," Shaw said, referring to Gibson's long decline through the 1970s and early '80s. "We weren't allowed to do much retooling. We redid the bobbin because it was worn out. We got some old bobbins and put the square hole back in. We did it without the T-hole, which stood for Treble."

    To replicate the magnets, Shaw gathered up magnets from original PAFs and sent them to a lab to be analyzed. "Most were Alnico 2's," he said, "but some were 5's. In the process of making an Alnico 5, they stick a magnet in a huge coil for orientation, but an unoriented 5 sounds a lot like a 2. They started with Alnico 2 and then switched to Alnico 5."

    Shaw discovered that the original magnets were a little thicker than 1980 production magnets. "Magnetic strength is largely a function of the area of the polarized face; increasing the face size gives you more power," he explained. So he specified the thicker magnet for the new PAF.

    Wiring on the originals was #42 gauge, which Gibson still used. However, the original wire had an enamel coating and the current wire had a polyurethane coat, which also was of a different thickness or "buildup" than that of the original, which affected capacitance. Norlin refused to go the extra mile-or extra buck, as it were. Enamel-coated wire cost a dollar more per pound than poly-coated. Shaw could change the spec on the buildup without additional expense, so the thickness of the coating was the same as on the original wire, but he was forced to use the poly coat. The difference is easy to see: purple wire on the originals, orange on the reissues.

    Shaw later found a spec for the number of turns on a spec sheet for a 1957 ES-175. "It specified 5,000 turns because a P-90 had 10,000 turns and they cut it in half," Shaw said. In reality, however, originals had anywhere from 5,000 to 6,000 turns, depending on how tight the coil was wound. Shaw later met Seth Lover, who designed and patented Gibson's humbucker, at a NAMM show. Lover laughed when asked about a spec for windings, and he told Shaw, "We wound them until they were full."

    The spec for resistance was even less exact, Shaw said. The old ohmeter was graduated in increments of .5 (500 ohms). Anywhere between 3.5 and 4 on the meter (3,500 to 4,000 ohms) met the spec. Consequently, Shaw pointed out, there is no such thing as an exact reissue or replica of the 1959 PAF pickup. There can only be a replica of one original PAF, or an average PAF. As Gibson would find out in the early 1990s, the same could be said about the entire guitar.

    Shaw's PAF reissue debuted on Gibson's new Nashville-made Les Paul Heritage 80 in 1980. Compared to anything Gibson had previously made (which is to say, compared to nothing), it was an excellent reissue of a sunburst Les Paul Standard.....
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    From a description on ebay:
    "WOW, 1985 Gibson Les Paul Double Cut XPL !!!

    This guitar is in incredible condition for a 23 year old. Some yellowing and checking to the paint, looks cool. A couple of minor dings and some very light surface scratches.

    Now the Sound of the Gibson Tim Shaw Patent Numbered pickups (http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/sh...hlight=fralins). The tone of these pickups is unbelievable, The resistance of the pickups is aprox. 7.20k. Everything I have read about them claim they are the best sounding PAF reissues and rival the originals! The guitar still has the stickers on the pickup ring (pat. applied for) indicating that the Shaw PAF pickups are installed. These pickups alone have sold from $350.00 - $500.00 on Ebay! "
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    i honestly don't know if these would be worth as much as the originals, even if they are better (you gotta discount the hype), but i sure wish i had some, so i could sell them and buy me some TV Jones
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