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    Quote Originally Posted by jimistone View Post
    By the same token, if your car won't run because the ignition coil is bad ($100 repair), and the mechanic puts in a new engine ($3000 repair) and you car still dosen't run because of the bad coil misdiagnosis by the "mechanic"...

    He provided a service along with the parts!
    (that you didn't need).
    Were you robbed?
    I, along with most judges, would say so.
    Grovers are good tuners. To equate installing a set of good tuners on a a guitar as being s a robber is a bit of a stretch, but I see your point.
    Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Thing to do is to talk to him, not start an internet lynch mob.
    People that know nothing of the situation are so fucking quick to rush to judgment and rile people up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFR View Post
    Grovers are good tuners. To equate installing a set of good tuners on a a guitar as being s a robber is a bit of a stretch, but I see your point.
    Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Thing to do is to talk to him, not start an internet lynch mob.
    People that know nothing of the situation are so fucking quick to rush to judgment and rile people up.
    He said the dude said it needed new tuners, installed grovers, and it still won't stay in tune.

    I have never seen a Les Paul standard or studio that the headstock tuning holes didn't need to be reamed to fit the grovers. (my personal experiance)
    So, he possibly has had the tuner holes altered, on a high dollar guitar, and a high priced set of tuners installed...and the dude gives him his les paul back and it STILL dosen't stay in tune?
    Did the guy not check the tuning stability after he worked on it?
    That, IMO, is outrageous.
    If I was the "luthier", at Sam Ash, I would have worked on the nut If it didn't stay in tune after the grover installation.
    The nut work would have been on me too....he would not have to pay for my lack of experience and misdiagnosis.
    I'm not trying to rile him up, I'm just telling him he should go back and tell them to put the Gibson tuners back on because it still won't stay in tune.
    I told him to find a manager because I doubt the "luthier" even checked it before he sent it out to the customer.
    Also, I would be asking the manager if the tuner holes in the headstock were altered.
    If the holes were altered the stock tuners may not work anymore. Even If they did still fit there may be visible screw holes the original tuners won't cover.

    one would hope the dude fitted the LP with grovers that were an exact match for the originals. But, one has to wonder what a guy who blames lack of tuning stability on Gibson tuners actually did on the replacement
    It can't easily be returned to original condition
    If they are going to have a Sam Ash employee representing himself as a luthier they should stand behind the work...and damage....he does.
    I was country before they took the O out.

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    Damn! You're all riled up.
    I agree that new tuners aren't the first approach to tackling tuning issues.

    However, there's two options.

    A) Keep the Grovers and adress the real underlying cause.
    B) Install the original tuners and adress the underlying causes
    In this case, a set of conversion bushings might be needed. But the good part is Grovers don't require drilling new holes.
    In the case of vintage. Style klusons conversion bushings are needed.
    In the case of the 'kluson' look a likes that screw and bolt on, there's no enlarging of the holes required.

    Oh.....option C
    Tar and feather the dude, then lynch him!

    Moral of the story is know before you go.
    Don't take your guitars to inexperienced repairmen. And NEVER let the 'tech' at a big chain music store touch your guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFR View Post
    Damn! You're all riled up.
    I agree that new tuners aren't the first approach to tackling tuning issues.

    However, there's two options.

    A) Keep the Grovers and adress the real underlying cause.
    B) Install the original tuners and adress the underlying causes
    In this case, a set of conversion bushings might be needed. But the good part is Grovers don't require drilling new holes.
    In the case of vintage. Style klusons conversion bushings are needed.
    In the case of the 'kluson' look a likes that screw and bolt on, there's no enlarging of the holes required.

    Oh.....option C
    Tar and feather the dude, then lynch him!

    Moral of the story is know before you go.
    Don't take your guitars to inexperienced repairmen. And NEVER let the 'tech' at a big chain music store touch your guitar.
    I agree that you shouldn't take your guitar to the big chain stores and let them work on it.
    I was country before they took the O out.

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    I find it telling that the OP has not returned or responded to any of this.

    None of us really know what or how much his tuning problem really is or how he's playing it or whatever.
    Not to mention...he said he had a couple of problems before with the same Sam Ash tech...so then, why go back a third time, and then post once here to complain?

    I'm just saying there could be more to the picture, so no need for everyone here to jump to all kinds of extreme conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miroslav View Post
    I find it telling that the OP has not returned or responded to any of this.
    That's been really common around here lately. I don't get it.
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